2016 Postmortem

KingCharlemagne

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55. Entrance-exit polling reveals that Sanders got approximately 1/3 of the

Reply to Nitram (Reply #52)

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:02 PM

Feb 2016

votes of people of color in Iowa, to Hillary's 2/3. So Sanders' appeal is not strictly to white voters.

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The virtual tie in Iowa sggests that Bernie Sanders is just as 'electable' as Hillary Clinton. So [View all] KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 OP

Well, no, Iowa tells us almost nothing about national electability Recursion Feb 2016 #1

Well, it says that their appeal to Democratic rank and file is roughly equal thus far. If both KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #4

Which is exactly why... jcgoldie Feb 2016 #15

Republicans will have to run a fear-based red-baiting hate campaign. I think Sanders' KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #18

Perhaps jcgoldie Feb 2016 #20

I well remember the WIllie Horton ads from 1988, but Sanders is vastly superior to KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #22

I don't think one should underestimate Bernie's national exposure through Thom Hartmann's show cascadiance Feb 2016 #36

Oh come on! Seriously? Recursion Feb 2016 #54

yeah jcgoldie Feb 2016 #59

How many MORE knew Obama before he ran in 2008? cascadiance Feb 2016 #68

the point of this electability thread though... jcgoldie Feb 2016 #75

I've talked to Republicans and read online comments from them who trust someone like Bernie MORE... cascadiance Feb 2016 #78

i disagree jcgoldie Feb 2016 #81

So your solution is we also should have a candidate that wants more corporate control over our lives cascadiance Feb 2016 #84

I dont know jcgoldie Feb 2016 #89

Oh come on yourself!!! cascadiance Feb 2016 #64

Democrats have been honing their skills. frylock Feb 2016 #98

The way Rick Santorum winning Iowa in 2012 proved he was as electable stopbush Feb 2016 #43

That is a valid point you raise, but it also suggests that Sanders' appeal to new KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #50

Good points. How many swing Rs do you think will vote for Bernie stopbush Feb 2016 #57

Repub suburbanites who formed part of the Reagan Coalition for fiscal reasons (lower taxes) KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #82

No, it's not 'free healthcare' (for all but the lowest-income among us). Everyone's KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #93

You do realize that Iowa does not represent the demographics of the country or the Democratic party Gothmog Feb 2016 #96

I premised my OP on the notion that blacks and Latinos will remain loyal KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #99

I think it proves that Bernie cant win in states tailor made for him. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #2

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Ive seen some previews... JaneyVee Feb 2016 #6

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Obama didn't call himself a Socialist or propose raising taxes... brooklynite Feb 2016 #21

Except Bernie calls himself a socialist who wants to raise taxes. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #23

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LOL OK. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #29

Then why don't Repubs hate their candidates getting "commie" inheritance money from the Kochs? cascadiance Feb 2016 #38

Raising taxes doesn't dissuade (Dems) like it used to TheSocialDem Feb 2016 #62

You're so tiresme with the constant race-baiting and race cards that I'm KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #5

Very open minded of you. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #7

If the national electorate were very liberal older white upper middle class to wealthy arely staircase Feb 2016 #8

Except Sanders lost older middle and upper middle class voters mythology Feb 2016 #13

What, you think blacks and Latinos are going to vote Republican? - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #14

No. But they will vote for Hillary in the primaries. hack89 Feb 2016 #41

Sanders got 34% of them in Iowa, while Clinton got some 66% (roughly). That's KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #67

Look at the polling for other states hack89 Feb 2016 #74

2-1 is an ass kicking.nt arely staircase Feb 2016 #76

Yes, there's no disputing that Sanders must broaden his appeal to PoC as the KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #79

Plausible. But he should have exposure in SC by now. arely staircase Feb 2016 #90

Yup, only the most Pollyannaish among Sanders' supporters would KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #91

And in the general. nt arely staircase Feb 2016 #73

They will vote for Clinton. nt arely staircase Feb 2016 #65

So we'll said. Thank you. 7wo7rees Feb 2016 #9

Electable as Democratic Party Chair in IA? Bleacher Creature Feb 2016 #11

Well, 50% of Iowa Dems prefer Sanders' vision to Clinton's. So it tells us KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #16

43% of Iowan Ds self identify as socialists. stopbush Feb 2016 #60

Most of those Iowans who identify as 'socialists' are probably really capitalists :) But, the No KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #63

The opposite. It shows that Bernie can't even win with a largely white liberal Democratic electorate DanTex Feb 2016 #12

Do you really not understand what a miracle it is that Bernie got any votes at all ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #26

Strange that before the results, Bernie supporters were saying that he "WILL WIN", DanTex Feb 2016 #31

What does DU's reaction have to do with what I was saying? ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #33

You are part of DU. Before the Iowa caucus, were you and your fellow Bernie supporters DanTex Feb 2016 #35

They understand perfectly which is why all the negative and often senseless rhetoric gets deployed Fumesucker Feb 2016 #32

Yikes ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #34

They have no vision Fumesucker Feb 2016 #39

Do you understand that counties with larger student populations were under represented this caucus? cascadiance Feb 2016 #42

I was aware, yes, which is why Bernie was telling kids to drive home and caucus in their home towns. DanTex Feb 2016 #45

You know that about a third of University Iowa students are from Chicago do you? cascadiance Feb 2016 #47

I did not know that. Looking at the entrance poll results, it's pretty clear that AA voters made up DanTex Feb 2016 #49

Well there certainly are more POC at the university than there are in other parts of the state... cascadiance Feb 2016 #51

I said it was pretty clear to me that AA voters made up a small percentage of the entire Dem caucus. DanTex Feb 2016 #53

FWIW Students from Chicago will vote in the Illinois primary emulatorloo Feb 2016 #83

It depends on if they become residents of the state of Iowa or not. cascadiance Feb 2016 #85

Of course. But not all change their residency. emulatorloo Feb 2016 #86

I think most do. They may go home to visit their folks for Christmas... cascadiance Feb 2016 #88

So you're saying we can eliminate the rest of the Primary Schedule? brooklynite Feb 2016 #17

Iowa proves that Sanders' draw thus far is roughly equal to Clinton's. Assuming other KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #19

It is only one state treestar Feb 2016 #24

Zilch? It proves that 50% of Iowa's Dems prefers Sanders' vision to KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #27

Because it is only one state, so the significance you attached to it treestar Feb 2016 #28

One state that in no way approximates the rest of the U.S. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #30

Look, there's no disputing the fact that current polling shows HIllary with KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #66

It said NOTHING about a general election leftynyc Feb 2016 #37

Every national poll should suffice then. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #40

Try getting out of your Bernie bubble leftynyc Feb 2016 #48

I don't have to, I would suggest it is you living in the bubble. No worries though, we are going to onecaliberal Feb 2016 #97

Did you support Somoza? - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #69

I was a teenager when leftynyc Feb 2016 #94

He did very well gollygee Feb 2016 #44

lol Dem2 Feb 2016 #46

No, the "virtual tie" suggests no such thing. Nitram Feb 2016 #52

Entrance-exit polling reveals that Sanders got approximately 1/3 of the KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #55

That's a significant gap. nt Nitram Feb 2016 #56

Agreed, but not insurmountable. It will be a very interesting nominating KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #71

58% to HRC, 34% Bernie kath Feb 2016 #70

If Iowa was a country. And Sanders was running for governor. Otherwise...not really. randome Feb 2016 #58

K & R AzDar Feb 2016 #72

I'm still chuckling....a tie in a caucus state....makes bernie a winner everywhere else...lol beachbum bob Feb 2016 #77

No, it doesn't necessarily make Sanders "a winner," your condescending KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #80

Hmmm, not really. Beacool Feb 2016 #92

Sanders is electable in states with 90+% white voting populations Gothmog Feb 2016 #95