2016 Postmortem

cascadiance

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36. I don't think one should underestimate Bernie's national exposure through Thom Hartmann's show

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:26 AM

Feb 2016

Now, granted it has a narrower audience than many other corporate media outlets.

But it IS a captive audience that Bernie has had for years on a weekly basis that has provided him grass roots in just about every geographic area, which is unlike so many other progressive politicians. I think that is a big factor to Bernie's success too. Though those that don't watch Hartmann's show still need to get to know him, it doesn't take people too many steps in most parts of the country to walk in to someone who's a friend of theirs who DOES listen to Hartmann and Bernie that they can talk to them about him.

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The virtual tie in Iowa sggests that Bernie Sanders is just as 'electable' as Hillary Clinton. So [View all] KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 OP

Well, no, Iowa tells us almost nothing about national electability Recursion Feb 2016 #1

Well, it says that their appeal to Democratic rank and file is roughly equal thus far. If both KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #4

Which is exactly why... jcgoldie Feb 2016 #15

Republicans will have to run a fear-based red-baiting hate campaign. I think Sanders' KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #18

Perhaps jcgoldie Feb 2016 #20

I well remember the WIllie Horton ads from 1988, but Sanders is vastly superior to KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #22

I don't think one should underestimate Bernie's national exposure through Thom Hartmann's show cascadiance Feb 2016 #36

Oh come on! Seriously? Recursion Feb 2016 #54

yeah jcgoldie Feb 2016 #59

How many MORE knew Obama before he ran in 2008? cascadiance Feb 2016 #68

the point of this electability thread though... jcgoldie Feb 2016 #75

I've talked to Republicans and read online comments from them who trust someone like Bernie MORE... cascadiance Feb 2016 #78

i disagree jcgoldie Feb 2016 #81

So your solution is we also should have a candidate that wants more corporate control over our lives cascadiance Feb 2016 #84

I dont know jcgoldie Feb 2016 #89

Oh come on yourself!!! cascadiance Feb 2016 #64

Democrats have been honing their skills. frylock Feb 2016 #98

The way Rick Santorum winning Iowa in 2012 proved he was as electable stopbush Feb 2016 #43

That is a valid point you raise, but it also suggests that Sanders' appeal to new KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #50

Good points. How many swing Rs do you think will vote for Bernie stopbush Feb 2016 #57

Repub suburbanites who formed part of the Reagan Coalition for fiscal reasons (lower taxes) KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #82

No, it's not 'free healthcare' (for all but the lowest-income among us). Everyone's KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #93

You do realize that Iowa does not represent the demographics of the country or the Democratic party Gothmog Feb 2016 #96

I premised my OP on the notion that blacks and Latinos will remain loyal KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #99

I think it proves that Bernie cant win in states tailor made for him. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #2

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Ive seen some previews... JaneyVee Feb 2016 #6

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Obama didn't call himself a Socialist or propose raising taxes... brooklynite Feb 2016 #21

Except Bernie calls himself a socialist who wants to raise taxes. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #23

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LOL OK. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #29

Then why don't Repubs hate their candidates getting "commie" inheritance money from the Kochs? cascadiance Feb 2016 #38

Raising taxes doesn't dissuade (Dems) like it used to TheSocialDem Feb 2016 #62

You're so tiresme with the constant race-baiting and race cards that I'm KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #5

Very open minded of you. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #7

If the national electorate were very liberal older white upper middle class to wealthy arely staircase Feb 2016 #8

Except Sanders lost older middle and upper middle class voters mythology Feb 2016 #13

What, you think blacks and Latinos are going to vote Republican? - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #14

No. But they will vote for Hillary in the primaries. hack89 Feb 2016 #41

Sanders got 34% of them in Iowa, while Clinton got some 66% (roughly). That's KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #67

Look at the polling for other states hack89 Feb 2016 #74

2-1 is an ass kicking.nt arely staircase Feb 2016 #76

Yes, there's no disputing that Sanders must broaden his appeal to PoC as the KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #79

Plausible. But he should have exposure in SC by now. arely staircase Feb 2016 #90

Yup, only the most Pollyannaish among Sanders' supporters would KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #91

And in the general. nt arely staircase Feb 2016 #73

They will vote for Clinton. nt arely staircase Feb 2016 #65

So we'll said. Thank you. 7wo7rees Feb 2016 #9

Electable as Democratic Party Chair in IA? Bleacher Creature Feb 2016 #11

Well, 50% of Iowa Dems prefer Sanders' vision to Clinton's. So it tells us KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #16

43% of Iowan Ds self identify as socialists. stopbush Feb 2016 #60

Most of those Iowans who identify as 'socialists' are probably really capitalists :) But, the No KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #63

The opposite. It shows that Bernie can't even win with a largely white liberal Democratic electorate DanTex Feb 2016 #12

Do you really not understand what a miracle it is that Bernie got any votes at all ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #26

Strange that before the results, Bernie supporters were saying that he "WILL WIN", DanTex Feb 2016 #31

What does DU's reaction have to do with what I was saying? ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #33

You are part of DU. Before the Iowa caucus, were you and your fellow Bernie supporters DanTex Feb 2016 #35

They understand perfectly which is why all the negative and often senseless rhetoric gets deployed Fumesucker Feb 2016 #32

Yikes ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #34

They have no vision Fumesucker Feb 2016 #39

Do you understand that counties with larger student populations were under represented this caucus? cascadiance Feb 2016 #42

I was aware, yes, which is why Bernie was telling kids to drive home and caucus in their home towns. DanTex Feb 2016 #45

You know that about a third of University Iowa students are from Chicago do you? cascadiance Feb 2016 #47

I did not know that. Looking at the entrance poll results, it's pretty clear that AA voters made up DanTex Feb 2016 #49

Well there certainly are more POC at the university than there are in other parts of the state... cascadiance Feb 2016 #51

I said it was pretty clear to me that AA voters made up a small percentage of the entire Dem caucus. DanTex Feb 2016 #53

FWIW Students from Chicago will vote in the Illinois primary emulatorloo Feb 2016 #83

It depends on if they become residents of the state of Iowa or not. cascadiance Feb 2016 #85

Of course. But not all change their residency. emulatorloo Feb 2016 #86

I think most do. They may go home to visit their folks for Christmas... cascadiance Feb 2016 #88

So you're saying we can eliminate the rest of the Primary Schedule? brooklynite Feb 2016 #17

Iowa proves that Sanders' draw thus far is roughly equal to Clinton's. Assuming other KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #19

It is only one state treestar Feb 2016 #24

Zilch? It proves that 50% of Iowa's Dems prefers Sanders' vision to KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #27

Because it is only one state, so the significance you attached to it treestar Feb 2016 #28

One state that in no way approximates the rest of the U.S. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #30

Look, there's no disputing the fact that current polling shows HIllary with KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #66

It said NOTHING about a general election leftynyc Feb 2016 #37

Every national poll should suffice then. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #40

Try getting out of your Bernie bubble leftynyc Feb 2016 #48

I don't have to, I would suggest it is you living in the bubble. No worries though, we are going to onecaliberal Feb 2016 #97

Did you support Somoza? - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #69

I was a teenager when leftynyc Feb 2016 #94

He did very well gollygee Feb 2016 #44

lol Dem2 Feb 2016 #46

No, the "virtual tie" suggests no such thing. Nitram Feb 2016 #52

Entrance-exit polling reveals that Sanders got approximately 1/3 of the KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #55

That's a significant gap. nt Nitram Feb 2016 #56

Agreed, but not insurmountable. It will be a very interesting nominating KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #71

58% to HRC, 34% Bernie kath Feb 2016 #70

If Iowa was a country. And Sanders was running for governor. Otherwise...not really. randome Feb 2016 #58

K & R AzDar Feb 2016 #72

I'm still chuckling....a tie in a caucus state....makes bernie a winner everywhere else...lol beachbum bob Feb 2016 #77

No, it doesn't necessarily make Sanders "a winner," your condescending KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #80

Hmmm, not really. Beacool Feb 2016 #92

Sanders is electable in states with 90+% white voting populations Gothmog Feb 2016 #95