2016 Postmortem

bettyellen

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105. Oh jeez, that is a very ugly thing to say.

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What drives the extreme age division between Sanders and Clinton voters? [View all] Fumesucker Feb 2016 OP

not surprisingly hill2016 Feb 2016 #1

Sanders promised mainstreetonce Feb 2016 #2

Actually I think it is more that people in the 1% don't want to pay their fair share of taxes peacebird Feb 2016 #4

it's not a 1% thing hill2016 Feb 2016 #11

That would be this graph, the numbers of people start tapering off at advanced ages Fumesucker Feb 2016 #22

I like graphs and want to understand them Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #124

Meaning that the number of Americans older than 60 or so is substantially smaller than those younger forest444 Feb 2016 #147

Except that wages have been stagnant since the recession, & that has younger voters in Sanders camp peacebird Feb 2016 #24

wages have been stagnant for a good thirty years. bettyellen Feb 2016 #42

And the breaking point is here... Fumesucker Feb 2016 #61

but this now or never stuff betrays a disinterest in long term advocacy.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #103

I think that there is great Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #138

See I'm in a very liberal area and honestly I see this flipped- bettyellen Feb 2016 #146

I don't know the baby boomers were very liberal in their youth yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #227

Maybe Bernie won't shut down his people organization after he gets elected like Obama shut down OFA Fumesucker Feb 2016 #211

It would be nice to see young people have a sustained interest, but I feel like it begins and bettyellen Feb 2016 #225

I think you make Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #129

It's rough to hear people say it's just happening now... bettyellen Feb 2016 #208

Some studies have shown that the richer people get, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #36

So the result of Mike__M Feb 2016 #76

Not all rich people are stingy and mean. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #82

You are absolutely correct Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #111

That is exactly what it is, peacebird whathehell Feb 2016 #177

Wow. That answer sounds totally like a Republican talking. kath Feb 2016 #6

got a better explanation hill2016 Feb 2016 #14

It IS possible to have both a low income and also have larger values and ideals Armstead Feb 2016 #23

so why are all the values and ideals hill2016 Feb 2016 #27

They aren't lacking Armstead Feb 2016 #35

i beg your pardon. i'm 74 and DesertFlower Feb 2016 #45

A lot of DINOs in the party AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #160

yes, young people are horrible people virtualobserver Feb 2016 #8

+1 daleanime Feb 2016 #65

63% of Americans Can't Afford $500 Car Repair or $1,000 Emergency Room Visit Fumesucker Feb 2016 #13

Sickening. Bernie should include it in his stump speech. senz Feb 2016 #74

that doesn't mean they are poor, necessarily. It means they aren't saving... yawnmaster Feb 2016 #132

If you're working long hours or multiple jobs to make ends meet gyroscope Feb 2016 #152

That's not the impression I get from the article. Saving is not a priority. eom yawnmaster Feb 2016 #155

Its not easy to save when you're on a modest income gyroscope Feb 2016 #169

read the article. Not all those are on a modest income. Many are at the high income level... yawnmaster Feb 2016 #224

Could you regurgitate republican talking points cali Feb 2016 #16

got a better explanation hill2016 Feb 2016 #33

Not to butt in, but...I'm not poor; I'm not young; but I get a kick out of helping improve society. Gregorian Feb 2016 #79

+1. Exactly. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #186

Lots of reasons. A rainbow. Just like any candidate. Gregorian Feb 2016 #192

I agree, the GOP is the best party Armstead Feb 2016 #19

Ah, those damn dirty millennial "TAKERS" 47% worthless leaches... Ah Vintage Romney /nt JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #40

do you have a better explanation hill2016 Feb 2016 #70

No, but it is nice that the true stances of Hillary and her Cohort. Ol' Mitt Romney was right? JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #80

I don't get your point hill2016 Feb 2016 #83

That isn't surprising. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #87

I am not certain I can be more transparent, JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #90

You mean like George Soros? d_legendary1 Feb 2016 #190

Nope. wildeyed Feb 2016 #46

sorry but if it is Hillary Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #72

OMG, buy a clue. wildeyed Feb 2016 #92

I know Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #95

Are you really happy here? daleanime Feb 2016 #62

Republicans don't want to share. Democrats do want to share. senz Feb 2016 #68

yep I do not to pay for your kids school Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #69

Rush Limpballs, is that you? PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #85

Really? blackspade Feb 2016 #101

Truthfully, I think it is more than older folks not wanting to pay. I think they've known Clinton Hoyt Feb 2016 #104

TAX AND SPEND!!1 frylock Feb 2016 #106

What kind of Republican shit is this??? Odin2005 Feb 2016 #109

do you have hill2016 Feb 2016 #176

The right-wing Neo-Liberal BS of the last 35 years disproportionally hurt... Odin2005 Feb 2016 #218

Are you sure Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #116

do you have a better explanation hill2016 Feb 2016 #178

Actually we'd just like what we've paid for, thanks. Fearless Feb 2016 #127

And that's unpatriotic shawn703 Feb 2016 #150

"stuff" Kumbricia Feb 2016 #187

Which number on the Republican Talking Point list is that? cui bono Feb 2016 #204

Such an odd statement reveals your age and detachment. 50 years ago.., WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #216

Most in their 40's already paid off the college loans and think oh know I thought I was done. yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #226

Experience and realism vs idealism and gullibility. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2016 #228

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #245

May be, but i think other than $$$ are in play sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #3

Older people are more likely to still be in the bubble and not understand winter is coming Feb 2016 #9

My friend and political sparring partner is 55. Maedhros Feb 2016 #30

But Sanders is old. wildeyed Feb 2016 #54

DU runs pretty old too, just because olds are clueless on average does not mean we all are Fumesucker Feb 2016 #213

Yes, of course. wildeyed Feb 2016 #219

I'm the goto IT guy for my crowd, some of whom are twenty and thirty years younger Fumesucker Feb 2016 #220

I don't think anyone is really interested in shutting wildeyed Feb 2016 #222

"but then left us all high and dry in 2010 and 2014" LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #230

Yep. wildeyed Feb 2016 #233

Pragmatism. Wisdom. Experience. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #5

Gimme more? You know, sharing what you have actually makes one happier. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #17

wisdom and experience? DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #18

I'm part of that generation Fumesucker Feb 2016 #29

I know there are those still fighting the good fight DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #34

Bill really does look like a smartass jerk there. So does the audience. senz Feb 2016 #194

how are going to pay for Hillary's Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #75

or Alzheimers. frustrated_lefty Feb 2016 #93

Not funny bettyellen Feb 2016 #209

You must think boomers are stupid. my middle class taxes would go up $100/year. my healthcare Doctor_J Feb 2016 #173

Was it Hillary's Wisdom or Experience that lead her to vote on Iraq? LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #231

Oooh! ooh! Let me guess. "Misogyny and racism" Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #7

Yes, young people feel like they have nothing to lose. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #10

hahahaha DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #25

Only 10% of boomers completed 4 year degrees in their 20's. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #39

and they had a better economy, period DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #41

So you wish harm to everyone who votes for her in the primary. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #43

I do not need to wish it DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #48

So Hillary is like some rightwing deity with the power geek tragedy Feb 2016 #50

Better ideas will NEVER EVER COME TO PASS! YEAARRGHH! Fumesucker Feb 2016 #71

Clap louder for Tinkerbell! nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #73

OK Fumesucker Feb 2016 #77

That was the "new kind of politics" guy who said geek tragedy Feb 2016 #81

Is that a slam on Obama? Fumesucker Feb 2016 #100

The original premise for his campaign was disproven. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #102

Abandoned it? He never implemented it. frylock Feb 2016 #118

dont bring that out Fume DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #201

oh yes DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #200

I am not a Hillary supporter. She's a war hawk whose geek tragedy Feb 2016 #202

inefficiently concentrated in urban areas. DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #203

fume DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #199

Nice dodge. frylock Feb 2016 #125

Oh jeez, that is a very ugly thing to say. bettyellen Feb 2016 #105

And boomer high-school graduates got jobs starting at inflation-adjusted $40k/year (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #113

I work with a millennial who is $100,000 in debt for having gone to college. cui bono Feb 2016 #205

Clearly, I should have organized my third grade class to stop the Greenspan commission. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #110

A start would be to convince white milennials to not vote geek tragedy Feb 2016 #115

Already done. jeff47 Feb 2016 #119

Nope. 51% of white Milennials voted for Romney. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #122

And far more white Boomers voted for Romney. jeff47 Feb 2016 #136

I'm happy to have anyone consider me young. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #140

I grew a beard. My parents are displeased. jeff47 Feb 2016 #145

My claim to youth ended when my pastimes became geek tragedy Feb 2016 #167

Your ageism is staggering. Fearless Feb 2016 #128

I'm critiquing a mindset. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #131

You are categorizing youth as a whole, it is ageism. Fearless Feb 2016 #133

Do all of those conditions apply to all milennials? geek tragedy Feb 2016 #137

Equal pay for equal work. Fearless Feb 2016 #139

Inexperienced people don't do the same work as geek tragedy Feb 2016 #142

Experienced lousy employees are still lousy employees Fearless Feb 2016 #148

How do you feel about labor unions? nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #156

I believe unequivocally in the right to form and maintain unions. Fearless Feb 2016 #158

How about union pay scales and rules re: seniority? nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #165

Again, I believe in equal pay for equal work. Fearless Feb 2016 #170

work is rarely equal if the experience levels are different nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #172

Do you believe a person should be paid more Fearless Feb 2016 #174

Age? No. Experience and acquired skill? Yes. nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #175

Age was the argument we are having and you agree with me. Fearless Feb 2016 #181

Belief in a Utopia fades as one ages. eom yawnmaster Feb 2016 #134

Young people aren't living in the same economy Kall Feb 2016 #154

That was the economy that white men--and only white men--enjoyed up until geek tragedy Feb 2016 #162

Oh brother Kall Feb 2016 #166

Youthful idealism....vs experience beachbumbob Feb 2016 #12

A somewhat nihilistic generation is willing to dream? JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #15

News from Internet vs. news from MSM ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #20

Totebaggers Fumesucker Feb 2016 #26

The graph is meaningless musiclawyer Feb 2016 #38

Eh, I'm of SS age and I don't have a TV, find it painful to watch and have for a while Fumesucker Feb 2016 #58

Wait, you are arguing wildeyed Feb 2016 #223

+ 1000000000000 !!!!!!!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #64

Optimism v Pessimism n/t Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #21

^^^ yep ^^^ nt bunnies Feb 2016 #47

Maybe the health of the planet should be included artislife Feb 2016 #28

Good point. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #66

This Map Will Tell kcjohn1 Feb 2016 #31

Good thing Bernie's Iowa team didn't listen to you. nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #49

optimism... JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #52

should old people be discouraged from voting in Democratic geek tragedy Feb 2016 #59

did JPnoodleman say or imply anything of the sort? JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #63

"larger glut of the old" was the quote, so yes. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #67

No, it simply means there are an "excess" number, relative to the population. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #78

which is the same as saying there should be fewer old people--that geek tragedy Feb 2016 #84

No it's not the same thing since the poster was referring to Bernie doing well in Iowa specifically JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #89

You need to learn the definition of "excess" geek tragedy Feb 2016 #91

See #96 and #78. I am clear about the definition intended. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #99

Not exactly saying what level should exist... JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #96

Ah. That is a much better way of saying it. Peace. nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #97

This is just wrong. wildeyed Feb 2016 #60

Yikes...That data is 23 years old! n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #86

That, and the fact Boomers know that they won't live another 40 years Lorien Feb 2016 #32

We're all starting our adult lives $50,000 in debt DemocraticWing Feb 2016 #37

Young people see no possibility THEY will acquire any assets ever Dems to Win Feb 2016 #44

their whole lives youngun's have heard repubs and sanders-type dems dumping on hillary endlessly nt msongs Feb 2016 #51

HUH? hifiguy Feb 2016 #55

For good reason Kumbricia Feb 2016 #191

Younger people are looking straight down the barrels hifiguy Feb 2016 #53

There are number of my friends who are big Hillary supporters. jalan48 Feb 2016 #56

Information and Courage vs Ignorance and Cowardice orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #57

Hope for change VS. Fuck it. nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #88

I haven't seen anyone mention marybourg Feb 2016 #94

the 1950s red scare Kumbricia Feb 2016 #193

Agree. n/t marybourg Feb 2016 #210

I think it's more to do with older folks understanding the reality of politics... DCBob Feb 2016 #98

Bernie is sprightly for a septuagenarian and doesn't seem to drink. ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #130

Young people have hope of a better future Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #107

Not anymore. jeff47 Feb 2016 #121

I believe young people know their Congresspeople have disappointed them and screwed their future Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #123

Hi. I'm one of these mysterious "young people". jeff47 Feb 2016 #135

Well don't be discouraged - be active. You are the future. Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #151

No, I'm not. We're still a small generation. jeff47 Feb 2016 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #159

It's not at all easy. But after you lose enough times jeff47 Feb 2016 #161

I deleted my comment. You are depressing me too much. Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #164

So just blow it all up because you haven't found a way to succeed?? DCBob Feb 2016 #141

Not even close. But not at all surprising from you. jeff47 Feb 2016 #144

GenX will be the first generation in US history to die poorer than their parents jeff47 Feb 2016 #108

We already are poorer than they were at our age. PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #112

A destructive side of me wonders if we should all lurch hard right.... JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #114

Maybe that's why they want things to change with Sanders Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #126

And Boomers wonder why they are hated by Millennials... Odin2005 Feb 2016 #117

First off, a lot of older people SheilaT Feb 2016 #120

That's great SheilaT. Glad to hear there are still some people out there willing to fight. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #149

I'm of SS age also... Fumesucker Feb 2016 #214

Where are the Boomers who fought so hard during the 60's? How did we go from liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #143

When you are greedy and acquire wealth, you are pretty focused on defending it AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #157

Serious Question re: single-payer NewHampshiriteGuy Feb 2016 #163

Considering that Canada has about 1/10 the population of the US, Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2016 #171

They could job share, take early retirement, start their own business, change careers, Doctor_J Feb 2016 #188

Undoubtedly some lobs would be lost. Our health care system is highly inefficient LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #234

Don't know where you got the chart but as a 70s YO voter... 40RatRod Feb 2016 #168

Huh? How many people younger than 35 are earning upwards of $180K? Can you elaborate? George II Feb 2016 #179

I would say reading is fundamental, but I don't think it is a reading comprehension issue LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #235

Thanks for the insult, I appreciate it! George II Feb 2016 #236

Is being accurate an insult? LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #240

Not at all, which is why.. George II Feb 2016 #241

Feigning ignorance with the intent of distorting an argument? Getting called on that is not getting LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #244

Check the chart and then check my comment. No feigning or ignorance involved on my part... George II Feb 2016 #246

Point to me where you see earnings on the chart LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #247

So then, was it actual ignorance or feiging ignorance? LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #248

The idiological media propaganda machine pandr32 Feb 2016 #180

Millennials Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2016 #195

Also, Bernie is urging us to build a better future while Hillary likes the status quo emsimon33 Feb 2016 #182

Well, My husband and I are pretty old, Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #183

Free college Renew Deal Feb 2016 #184

Makes me proud to stand with Bernie Sanders. JeaneRaye Feb 2016 #185

Young people are impatient for change, old people don't want change - want to protect Peregrine Took Feb 2016 #189

Cynicism. k/r AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #196

Damn. I never knew old people were so rich. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #197

I think that figure is inflated, Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #206

Home equity is usually considered part of net worth Fumesucker Feb 2016 #215

That and fear. Age makes cowards of us all. mhatrw Feb 2016 #198

Free stuff is definitely the ticket. kennetha Feb 2016 #207

Thanks for your input Speaker Ryan LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #238

Well, he is promising a lot of stuff kennetha Feb 2016 #242

And you disagree with which part of that? LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #243

I think it is where people get their information and what their JDPriestly Feb 2016 #212

I have to call BS on the graph. KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #217

Affluenza - Senescence - Right of Center Dino's SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #221

Young people have everything to gain firebrand80 Feb 2016 #229

No one under the age of 25 has lived at a time when Clinton wasn't smeared in the media KitSileya Feb 2016 #232

I don't understand why older voters aren't drawn in by his ideas for expanding Social Security. Vinca Feb 2016 #237

Severe I-got-mineism. nt Romulox Feb 2016 #239