2016 Postmortem

marybourg

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94. I haven't seen anyone mention

Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:53 PM

Feb 2016

the fact that, not having lived through the heart of the cold war, "socialism" has a different, far more benign, connotation to the young, than it does to their elders.

Socialism was very popular among those who were young in the 1920's and many were avowed socialists until well into the 50's and 60's when communism gave socialism a bad name.

So when I was young,the oldsters were the liberal folks and the youngsters the more conservative ones.

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What drives the extreme age division between Sanders and Clinton voters? [View all] Fumesucker Feb 2016 OP

not surprisingly hill2016 Feb 2016 #1

Sanders promised mainstreetonce Feb 2016 #2

Actually I think it is more that people in the 1% don't want to pay their fair share of taxes peacebird Feb 2016 #4

it's not a 1% thing hill2016 Feb 2016 #11

That would be this graph, the numbers of people start tapering off at advanced ages Fumesucker Feb 2016 #22

I like graphs and want to understand them Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #124

Meaning that the number of Americans older than 60 or so is substantially smaller than those younger forest444 Feb 2016 #147

Except that wages have been stagnant since the recession, & that has younger voters in Sanders camp peacebird Feb 2016 #24

wages have been stagnant for a good thirty years. bettyellen Feb 2016 #42

And the breaking point is here... Fumesucker Feb 2016 #61

but this now or never stuff betrays a disinterest in long term advocacy.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #103

I think that there is great Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #138

See I'm in a very liberal area and honestly I see this flipped- bettyellen Feb 2016 #146

I don't know the baby boomers were very liberal in their youth yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #227

Maybe Bernie won't shut down his people organization after he gets elected like Obama shut down OFA Fumesucker Feb 2016 #211

It would be nice to see young people have a sustained interest, but I feel like it begins and bettyellen Feb 2016 #225

I think you make Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #129

It's rough to hear people say it's just happening now... bettyellen Feb 2016 #208

Some studies have shown that the richer people get, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #36

So the result of Mike__M Feb 2016 #76

Not all rich people are stingy and mean. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #82

You are absolutely correct Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #111

That is exactly what it is, peacebird whathehell Feb 2016 #177

Wow. That answer sounds totally like a Republican talking. kath Feb 2016 #6

got a better explanation hill2016 Feb 2016 #14

It IS possible to have both a low income and also have larger values and ideals Armstead Feb 2016 #23

so why are all the values and ideals hill2016 Feb 2016 #27

They aren't lacking Armstead Feb 2016 #35

i beg your pardon. i'm 74 and DesertFlower Feb 2016 #45

A lot of DINOs in the party AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #160

yes, young people are horrible people virtualobserver Feb 2016 #8

+1 daleanime Feb 2016 #65

63% of Americans Can't Afford $500 Car Repair or $1,000 Emergency Room Visit Fumesucker Feb 2016 #13

Sickening. Bernie should include it in his stump speech. senz Feb 2016 #74

that doesn't mean they are poor, necessarily. It means they aren't saving... yawnmaster Feb 2016 #132

If you're working long hours or multiple jobs to make ends meet gyroscope Feb 2016 #152

That's not the impression I get from the article. Saving is not a priority. eom yawnmaster Feb 2016 #155

Its not easy to save when you're on a modest income gyroscope Feb 2016 #169

read the article. Not all those are on a modest income. Many are at the high income level... yawnmaster Feb 2016 #224

Could you regurgitate republican talking points cali Feb 2016 #16

got a better explanation hill2016 Feb 2016 #33

Not to butt in, but...I'm not poor; I'm not young; but I get a kick out of helping improve society. Gregorian Feb 2016 #79

+1. Exactly. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #186

Lots of reasons. A rainbow. Just like any candidate. Gregorian Feb 2016 #192

I agree, the GOP is the best party Armstead Feb 2016 #19

Ah, those damn dirty millennial "TAKERS" 47% worthless leaches... Ah Vintage Romney /nt JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #40

do you have a better explanation hill2016 Feb 2016 #70

No, but it is nice that the true stances of Hillary and her Cohort. Ol' Mitt Romney was right? JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #80

I don't get your point hill2016 Feb 2016 #83

That isn't surprising. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #87

I am not certain I can be more transparent, JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #90

You mean like George Soros? d_legendary1 Feb 2016 #190

Nope. wildeyed Feb 2016 #46

sorry but if it is Hillary Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #72

OMG, buy a clue. wildeyed Feb 2016 #92

I know Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #95

Are you really happy here? daleanime Feb 2016 #62

Republicans don't want to share. Democrats do want to share. senz Feb 2016 #68

yep I do not to pay for your kids school Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #69

Rush Limpballs, is that you? PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #85

Really? blackspade Feb 2016 #101

Truthfully, I think it is more than older folks not wanting to pay. I think they've known Clinton Hoyt Feb 2016 #104

TAX AND SPEND!!1 frylock Feb 2016 #106

What kind of Republican shit is this??? Odin2005 Feb 2016 #109

do you have hill2016 Feb 2016 #176

The right-wing Neo-Liberal BS of the last 35 years disproportionally hurt... Odin2005 Feb 2016 #218

Are you sure Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #116

do you have a better explanation hill2016 Feb 2016 #178

Actually we'd just like what we've paid for, thanks. Fearless Feb 2016 #127

And that's unpatriotic shawn703 Feb 2016 #150

"stuff" Kumbricia Feb 2016 #187

Which number on the Republican Talking Point list is that? cui bono Feb 2016 #204

Such an odd statement reveals your age and detachment. 50 years ago.., WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #216

Most in their 40's already paid off the college loans and think oh know I thought I was done. yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #226

Experience and realism vs idealism and gullibility. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2016 #228

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #245

May be, but i think other than $$$ are in play sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #3

Older people are more likely to still be in the bubble and not understand winter is coming Feb 2016 #9

My friend and political sparring partner is 55. Maedhros Feb 2016 #30

But Sanders is old. wildeyed Feb 2016 #54

DU runs pretty old too, just because olds are clueless on average does not mean we all are Fumesucker Feb 2016 #213

Yes, of course. wildeyed Feb 2016 #219

I'm the goto IT guy for my crowd, some of whom are twenty and thirty years younger Fumesucker Feb 2016 #220

I don't think anyone is really interested in shutting wildeyed Feb 2016 #222

"but then left us all high and dry in 2010 and 2014" LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #230

Yep. wildeyed Feb 2016 #233

Pragmatism. Wisdom. Experience. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #5

Gimme more? You know, sharing what you have actually makes one happier. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #17

wisdom and experience? DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #18

I'm part of that generation Fumesucker Feb 2016 #29

I know there are those still fighting the good fight DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #34

Bill really does look like a smartass jerk there. So does the audience. senz Feb 2016 #194

how are going to pay for Hillary's Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #75

or Alzheimers. frustrated_lefty Feb 2016 #93

Not funny bettyellen Feb 2016 #209

You must think boomers are stupid. my middle class taxes would go up $100/year. my healthcare Doctor_J Feb 2016 #173

Was it Hillary's Wisdom or Experience that lead her to vote on Iraq? LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #231

Oooh! ooh! Let me guess. "Misogyny and racism" Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #7

Yes, young people feel like they have nothing to lose. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #10

hahahaha DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #25

Only 10% of boomers completed 4 year degrees in their 20's. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #39

and they had a better economy, period DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #41

So you wish harm to everyone who votes for her in the primary. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #43

I do not need to wish it DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #48

So Hillary is like some rightwing deity with the power geek tragedy Feb 2016 #50

Better ideas will NEVER EVER COME TO PASS! YEAARRGHH! Fumesucker Feb 2016 #71

Clap louder for Tinkerbell! nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #73

OK Fumesucker Feb 2016 #77

That was the "new kind of politics" guy who said geek tragedy Feb 2016 #81

Is that a slam on Obama? Fumesucker Feb 2016 #100

The original premise for his campaign was disproven. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #102

Abandoned it? He never implemented it. frylock Feb 2016 #118

dont bring that out Fume DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #201

oh yes DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #200

I am not a Hillary supporter. She's a war hawk whose geek tragedy Feb 2016 #202

inefficiently concentrated in urban areas. DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #203

fume DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #199

Nice dodge. frylock Feb 2016 #125

Oh jeez, that is a very ugly thing to say. bettyellen Feb 2016 #105

And boomer high-school graduates got jobs starting at inflation-adjusted $40k/year (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #113

I work with a millennial who is $100,000 in debt for having gone to college. cui bono Feb 2016 #205

Clearly, I should have organized my third grade class to stop the Greenspan commission. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #110

A start would be to convince white milennials to not vote geek tragedy Feb 2016 #115

Already done. jeff47 Feb 2016 #119

Nope. 51% of white Milennials voted for Romney. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #122

And far more white Boomers voted for Romney. jeff47 Feb 2016 #136

I'm happy to have anyone consider me young. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #140

I grew a beard. My parents are displeased. jeff47 Feb 2016 #145

My claim to youth ended when my pastimes became geek tragedy Feb 2016 #167

Your ageism is staggering. Fearless Feb 2016 #128

I'm critiquing a mindset. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #131

You are categorizing youth as a whole, it is ageism. Fearless Feb 2016 #133

Do all of those conditions apply to all milennials? geek tragedy Feb 2016 #137

Equal pay for equal work. Fearless Feb 2016 #139

Inexperienced people don't do the same work as geek tragedy Feb 2016 #142

Experienced lousy employees are still lousy employees Fearless Feb 2016 #148

How do you feel about labor unions? nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #156

I believe unequivocally in the right to form and maintain unions. Fearless Feb 2016 #158

How about union pay scales and rules re: seniority? nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #165

Again, I believe in equal pay for equal work. Fearless Feb 2016 #170

work is rarely equal if the experience levels are different nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #172

Do you believe a person should be paid more Fearless Feb 2016 #174

Age? No. Experience and acquired skill? Yes. nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #175

Age was the argument we are having and you agree with me. Fearless Feb 2016 #181

Belief in a Utopia fades as one ages. eom yawnmaster Feb 2016 #134

Young people aren't living in the same economy Kall Feb 2016 #154

That was the economy that white men--and only white men--enjoyed up until geek tragedy Feb 2016 #162

Oh brother Kall Feb 2016 #166

Youthful idealism....vs experience beachbumbob Feb 2016 #12

A somewhat nihilistic generation is willing to dream? JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #15

News from Internet vs. news from MSM ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #20

Totebaggers Fumesucker Feb 2016 #26

The graph is meaningless musiclawyer Feb 2016 #38

Eh, I'm of SS age and I don't have a TV, find it painful to watch and have for a while Fumesucker Feb 2016 #58

Wait, you are arguing wildeyed Feb 2016 #223

+ 1000000000000 !!!!!!!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #64

Optimism v Pessimism n/t Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #21

^^^ yep ^^^ nt bunnies Feb 2016 #47

Maybe the health of the planet should be included artislife Feb 2016 #28

Good point. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #66

This Map Will Tell kcjohn1 Feb 2016 #31

Good thing Bernie's Iowa team didn't listen to you. nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #49

optimism... JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #52

should old people be discouraged from voting in Democratic geek tragedy Feb 2016 #59

did JPnoodleman say or imply anything of the sort? JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #63

"larger glut of the old" was the quote, so yes. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #67

No, it simply means there are an "excess" number, relative to the population. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #78

which is the same as saying there should be fewer old people--that geek tragedy Feb 2016 #84

No it's not the same thing since the poster was referring to Bernie doing well in Iowa specifically JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #89

You need to learn the definition of "excess" geek tragedy Feb 2016 #91

See #96 and #78. I am clear about the definition intended. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #99

Not exactly saying what level should exist... JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #96

Ah. That is a much better way of saying it. Peace. nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #97

This is just wrong. wildeyed Feb 2016 #60

Yikes...That data is 23 years old! n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #86

That, and the fact Boomers know that they won't live another 40 years Lorien Feb 2016 #32

We're all starting our adult lives $50,000 in debt DemocraticWing Feb 2016 #37

Young people see no possibility THEY will acquire any assets ever Dems to Win Feb 2016 #44

their whole lives youngun's have heard repubs and sanders-type dems dumping on hillary endlessly nt msongs Feb 2016 #51

HUH? hifiguy Feb 2016 #55

For good reason Kumbricia Feb 2016 #191

Younger people are looking straight down the barrels hifiguy Feb 2016 #53

There are number of my friends who are big Hillary supporters. jalan48 Feb 2016 #56

Information and Courage vs Ignorance and Cowardice orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #57

Hope for change VS. Fuck it. nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #88

I haven't seen anyone mention marybourg Feb 2016 #94

the 1950s red scare Kumbricia Feb 2016 #193

Agree. n/t marybourg Feb 2016 #210

I think it's more to do with older folks understanding the reality of politics... DCBob Feb 2016 #98

Bernie is sprightly for a septuagenarian and doesn't seem to drink. ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #130

Young people have hope of a better future Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #107

Not anymore. jeff47 Feb 2016 #121

I believe young people know their Congresspeople have disappointed them and screwed their future Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #123

Hi. I'm one of these mysterious "young people". jeff47 Feb 2016 #135

Well don't be discouraged - be active. You are the future. Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #151

No, I'm not. We're still a small generation. jeff47 Feb 2016 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #159

It's not at all easy. But after you lose enough times jeff47 Feb 2016 #161

I deleted my comment. You are depressing me too much. Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #164

So just blow it all up because you haven't found a way to succeed?? DCBob Feb 2016 #141

Not even close. But not at all surprising from you. jeff47 Feb 2016 #144

GenX will be the first generation in US history to die poorer than their parents jeff47 Feb 2016 #108

We already are poorer than they were at our age. PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #112

A destructive side of me wonders if we should all lurch hard right.... JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #114

Maybe that's why they want things to change with Sanders Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #126

And Boomers wonder why they are hated by Millennials... Odin2005 Feb 2016 #117

First off, a lot of older people SheilaT Feb 2016 #120

That's great SheilaT. Glad to hear there are still some people out there willing to fight. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #149

I'm of SS age also... Fumesucker Feb 2016 #214

Where are the Boomers who fought so hard during the 60's? How did we go from liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #143

When you are greedy and acquire wealth, you are pretty focused on defending it AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #157

Serious Question re: single-payer NewHampshiriteGuy Feb 2016 #163

Considering that Canada has about 1/10 the population of the US, Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2016 #171

They could job share, take early retirement, start their own business, change careers, Doctor_J Feb 2016 #188

Undoubtedly some lobs would be lost. Our health care system is highly inefficient LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #234

Don't know where you got the chart but as a 70s YO voter... 40RatRod Feb 2016 #168

Huh? How many people younger than 35 are earning upwards of $180K? Can you elaborate? George II Feb 2016 #179

I would say reading is fundamental, but I don't think it is a reading comprehension issue LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #235

Thanks for the insult, I appreciate it! George II Feb 2016 #236

Is being accurate an insult? LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #240

Not at all, which is why.. George II Feb 2016 #241

Feigning ignorance with the intent of distorting an argument? Getting called on that is not getting LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #244

Check the chart and then check my comment. No feigning or ignorance involved on my part... George II Feb 2016 #246

Point to me where you see earnings on the chart LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #247

So then, was it actual ignorance or feiging ignorance? LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #248

The idiological media propaganda machine pandr32 Feb 2016 #180

Millennials Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2016 #195

Also, Bernie is urging us to build a better future while Hillary likes the status quo emsimon33 Feb 2016 #182

Well, My husband and I are pretty old, Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #183

Free college Renew Deal Feb 2016 #184

Makes me proud to stand with Bernie Sanders. JeaneRaye Feb 2016 #185

Young people are impatient for change, old people don't want change - want to protect Peregrine Took Feb 2016 #189

Cynicism. k/r AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #196

Damn. I never knew old people were so rich. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #197

I think that figure is inflated, Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #206

Home equity is usually considered part of net worth Fumesucker Feb 2016 #215

That and fear. Age makes cowards of us all. mhatrw Feb 2016 #198

Free stuff is definitely the ticket. kennetha Feb 2016 #207

Thanks for your input Speaker Ryan LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #238

Well, he is promising a lot of stuff kennetha Feb 2016 #242

And you disagree with which part of that? LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #243

I think it is where people get their information and what their JDPriestly Feb 2016 #212

I have to call BS on the graph. KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #217

Affluenza - Senescence - Right of Center Dino's SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #221

Young people have everything to gain firebrand80 Feb 2016 #229

No one under the age of 25 has lived at a time when Clinton wasn't smeared in the media KitSileya Feb 2016 #232

I don't understand why older voters aren't drawn in by his ideas for expanding Social Security. Vinca Feb 2016 #237

Severe I-got-mineism. nt Romulox Feb 2016 #239