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askew

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42. Every one of those 7 items is wrong.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jan 2016

Every single one of them.

1. President Obama issued an explicit directive to not use personal email for government work. Hillary violated that directive and never told the WH what she was doing. There is also regulations requiring the DHS to be notified of any outside server being used for government work. She failed to do that. She was also expressly forbidden from using Apple products (iPad and iPhone) by State Dept's IT and legal multiple times and she used both anyway in violation with State Dept security regulations. These rules were so serious that President Obama was not allowed to keep an iPhone after elected.

2. Colin Powell did not have the same set-up. He didn't have a personal server that only he had access to in his home without the proper security on it. He also didn't give his top aides email accounts on these same servers. He also did not go against his president's explicit instructions and keep a private server.

3 & 4. This one is so wrong that I don't know where to start. Nothing was backed up from Hillary's server to the State Dept. server. If a State Dept employee used a .gov email address, then that email exchange was backed up. However, State's system would not be able to pull that email for FOIA requests because it wasn't stored under Hillary's name. Also, Hillary gave her top aides emails on her private server so any communication between them and Hillary was not captured at all on the State's system. Also, most of Hillary's problematic emails were with individuals outside of State. State's system had no way of capturing those emails. In one case, we only found out about the email exchange from the Benghazi committee's subpoena of Sydney Blumenthal's email. Hillary had deleted her end of the conversation from her private email server but Blumenthal turned over his to the committee.

5. There has not been a complete investigation yet of this but her IT company admitted that she went at least 3 months without any protection on her server. It was discussed in emails with her staffers that have been FOIA'd. The FBI investigation will be able to tell us more about secure her server really was.

6. Again, until the FBI investigation is completed we have no way of knowing how secure her system was. However, her email system was naked without any protection on it for 3 months according to her IT company. She also involved multiple companies that were not cleared to handle classified information in housing/maintaining her server. So, it wasn't a tiny group of people that were aware of her server. She opened up US secrets to people who were not cleared to handle government work.

7. Again, that hasn't been determined yet. The State Dept is opening up an investigation to determine the classification at the time they were sent. Hillary's team can lie about this all they want but they don't get to make the final determination. Also, it doesn't matter if the email was marked classified or not. Hillary was trained on how to handle classified material and how to recognize it without being marked. She also signed a non-disclosure agreement that stated she understood she had to handle marked and non-marked classified material appropriately and report any breaches to the proper people.

8. Again, it doesn't matter that Hillary's team or State thinks there is overclassification. They don't make those determinations. The agency where the Intel originates from gets to make that determination period.

The idea that this is blown out of proportion is insane. This is subject to an FBI, IG, multiple Senate/House and now a State Dept investigation. Hillary and her supporters can keep trying to pretend it is a VRW conspiracy, but the fact of the matter is this is very, very serious.

Thank you ... NurseJackie Jan 2016 #1
Jackie, I hope that is not your union that is spending all of that money on Bernie CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #3
She would have to be a real nurse for that. It's from a tv show Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #60
There are 3,131,003 registered nurses in the United States CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #84
Results : LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #138
It's a great song. The lyrics are crude, but the title is perfect Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #139
It's a perfect song if you're intentionally trying to be rude and misogynistic to someone else. blue neen Jan 2016 #141
Instead of writing down the lyrics, Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #143
You posted the whole song. blue neen Jan 2016 #146
This message was self-deleted by its author Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #147
And with that many nurses in the US Plucketeer Jan 2016 #94
K&R! stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #2
Thanks for the kick... CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #6
All of that is correct but it still won't stop the propaganda corporate media Iliyah Jan 2016 #4
Oh, that's another lie they thing this propaganda will support? n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #25
Frightened shitless Old Codger Jan 2016 #89
K&R mcar Jan 2016 #5
Let's see jfern Jan 2016 #7
I'll anser every point you made later - I don't hve time right now. CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #21
You have an inside line on the State Dept, elias49 Jan 2016 #50
I am glad he has offered to respond later riversedge Jan 2016 #56
^^^ This ^^^ senz Jan 2016 #23
+1 - also vouching for your counterpoints, as an IT/security bod. erronis Jan 2016 #86
A much more accurate list in my opinion. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2016 #99
To reiterate number 6 and it's the biggie... Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #134
I don't know very much about IT SheilaT Jan 2016 #8
Actually Hillary's server had less chance of being hacked.... CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #12
But if someone out there had caught on SheilaT Jan 2016 #27
There must be a lot of misinformation going around. I read the other day that A Simple Game Jan 2016 #98
Actually, I AM a data security professional, and you have no idea what you're talking about. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #150
LOL. But repeating Republican talking points against programs the vast majority mhatrw Jan 2016 #9
Don't try to change the subject. CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #17
PLEASE madamesilverspurs Jan 2016 #10
It wouldn't do a bit of good, my friend. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #28
Ye of little faith. retrowire Jan 2016 #65
If it did, my friend, I literally couldn't be more happy then to be wrong. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #80
I don't think malice is at hand either. retrowire Jan 2016 #85
What security matters - it had now useful information - and regardless it wasn't hacked CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #154
You really don't want that. This post demonstrates the poster does not or should not work in IT. nt jeff47 Jan 2016 #128
Twenty-two (22) top secrect emails! senz Jan 2016 #11
Wrong, it is 7 emails consisting of multiple pages. CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #18
7 email chains. 22 emails. Twenty-two emails. senz Jan 2016 #119
Your Bottom Line segment covers it. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #13
The FBI, IG, and State Dept are not involved in a rightwing conspiracy to bring down Hillary. askew Jan 2016 #45
I have no problem with the actions of... NCTraveler Jan 2016 #47
Well, it's quite clear that Hillary left behind a giant mess for Kerry to clean-up at State askew Jan 2016 #51
I have a different view of how the State Dept is doing. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #54
Well.... quickesst Jan 2016 #57
There's nothing to skew. askew Jan 2016 #72
Believe me... quickesst Jan 2016 #125
The FBI does not assign 150 agents to investigate a "smear". John Poet Jan 2016 #140
This seems to infer that we know all there is to know. We don't. We know what "they" libdem4life Jan 2016 #14
Oh well, I guess that all of those Republican Congressional investigations were a ... CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #19
Most of them are...you're surprised? And do I believe that the 1% protects its own? libdem4life Jan 2016 #24
That's just nuts. The RW has been after both Clintons since Arkansas days... Hekate Jan 2016 #36
I agree. But that was then...this is now. Hard to go back to Hope, AR to dispense libdem4life Jan 2016 #41
One of my favorite books! Plus, I agree with your post. Duval Jan 2016 #63
Thanks. I think that makes us fairly old? libdem4life Jan 2016 #67
Here's what YOU need to know cali Jan 2016 #15
"I did nothing wrong." AtomicKitten Jan 2016 #16
You can't respond to post you show us a picture of a little dog as if... CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #20
The OP is a steaming pile of excuses. AtomicKitten Jan 2016 #22
I stopped reading at numbers 3, 4 and (the second)4 morningfog Jan 2016 #29
The OP is factually correct. Hekate Jan 2016 #34
Then tell everyone why it is wrong CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #35
It was not used only to communicate with other morningfog Jan 2016 #39
Please don't distort what I wrote CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #88
That's not what you wrote. No sense in lying. morningfog Jan 2016 #104
Every one of those items is factually wrong. askew Jan 2016 #43
I'm guessing that you didn't like my post CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #37
Well I responded, and I stand firmly behind this innocent puppy. libdem4life Jan 2016 #26
The puppy is absolutely adorable and you make a good point with the photo. Vinca Jan 2016 #40
he's way too cute to be mad at him AtomicKitten Jan 2016 #135
Bottom Line Z_California Jan 2016 #30
The wingers just keep investigating. Every time they hit a dead end, they start a new one. Ken Starr Hekate Jan 2016 #32
Thanks for truth and facts, Cajun. Alas, there is no known cure for Clinton Derangement Syndrome.... Hekate Jan 2016 #31
Your point #3 is simply false Dems to Win Jan 2016 #33
Sidney Blumenthall is long time friend of Clinton CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #48
That is not what you fucking said. Why lie? morningfog Jan 2016 #120
If all of this is true, the FBI needs to make an immediate statement clearing her of any wrongdoing. Vinca Jan 2016 #38
Every one of those 7 items is wrong. askew Jan 2016 #42
OP cleaarly has no actual IT chops Sivart Jan 2016 #44
Yeah, it sounds like it was written by Brian Fallon (Hillary's PR guy). It's completely askew Jan 2016 #46
Are you calling me a lier? CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #49
You are certainly uninformed. askew Jan 2016 #52
I’m calling you a bad speller :) dorkzilla Jan 2016 #101
That you're an IT professional is suspect to anyone who has worked in the field...nt Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #137
If you worked for me, I surely would not promote you. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #151
I am an IT Senior Project Manager who supervises PM's who manage... CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #132
This statement about the OP is false on its face, you're number 2 is sophistry at best... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #55
I don't think 3&4 is about "backing up." Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2016 #59
Again, that still isn't right. askew Jan 2016 #66
All fair arguments. Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2016 #122
State Dept has said it is a big impediment for them to find emails. askew Jan 2016 #124
Further to this claim Jarqui Jan 2016 #61
Exactly. This is a mess entirely of Hillary's own doing and I don't see why Dems askew Jan 2016 #68
U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan is a Reagen appointee... CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #74
That's not an answer. Loudestlib Jan 2016 #77
Nice try Jarqui Jan 2016 #91
Donald Trump deserves a bump! catnhatnh Jan 2016 #126
An excellent retort. retrowire Jan 2016 #69
Thank you. You should make this an OP to counter the misinformation Autumn Jan 2016 #110
Ahh , bless your heart. But you forgot where you are. DU is a full time, all day everyday randys1 Jan 2016 #53
Thanks for the post DesertRat Jan 2016 #58
To me HRC email has always been a non-starter, Mbrow Jan 2016 #62
Agreed...this whole stink is just that passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #64
This is far, far different from Benghazi. dorkzilla Jan 2016 #106
Why is the FBI ejbr Jan 2016 #70
well that's wunnerfull and all but here's the thing azurnoir Jan 2016 #71
Two things angrychair Jan 2016 #73
Data classification is nin the eye of the beholder CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #100
In response: Maedhros Jan 2016 #75
great response questionseverything Jan 2016 #153
Provide source information, instead of "what we should know,' as little touches on IT security. TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #76
No, a novice knows more than what is in this OP. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2016 #130
K&R'd ghostsinthemachine Jan 2016 #78
Of course the most important one is THEY WERE NOT MARKED CLASSIFIED AT THE TIME THEY WERE SENT still_one Jan 2016 #79
EXACTLY. Hillary continues to have my support, and my vote. (nt) Paladin Jan 2016 #95
So Karl Rove was fine when he outed Plame? jeff47 Jan 2016 #131
**** Loudestlib Jan 2016 #82
IT professional? I'd love to see your justification for #6 fbc Jan 2016 #83
As to question #5 Separation Jan 2016 #87
+ 1,000,000 n/t asuhornets Jan 2016 #90
completely blown up - i've heard all the republicans critisizing her have done it too. MariaThinks Jan 2016 #92
Hey I'm IT too Lage Nom Ai Jan 2016 #93
lovely, but dead wrong on all points. Your claims have zip to do with being "an IT professional" magical thyme Jan 2016 #96
Yup. SoapBox Jan 2016 #105
I like the posts where you are a martial arts and self defense professional much better than this. Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #97
Well, I am that part time - call it a hobby that turned out to be a part time job, from which... CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #107
You forgot MyNameGoesHere Jan 2016 #102
You may be an IT professional but you left out important details daybranch Jan 2016 #103
If you know government regulations on document classification - CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #111
Thank you. 840high Jan 2016 #112
#4 alone is easily disproved Major Nikon Jan 2016 #108
Thanks for the half-baked "insight", Trey Gowdy Tarc Jan 2016 #109
Sure, and your obviously well sourced and knowledgeable retort certainly helps Major Nikon Jan 2016 #117
Blah blah blah facts blah blah facts facts blah blah facts ... Empowerer Jan 2016 #113
Okay Folks, I have tried to get to all of your questions, but I'm tired of typing CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #114
I agree. It's not a big deal Major Nikon Jan 2016 #123
Everybody makes mistakes - no one is immune CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #133
22 email, 7 email chains. If you can't even get the most basic facts straight... Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #115
this time and money consuming harassment of democrats hopemountain Jan 2016 #116
K&R. Thank you for making it so clear. lunamagica Jan 2016 #118
This is a great post. Thanks! Bleacher Creature Jan 2016 #121
Can't even get to #3 without lying? jeff47 Jan 2016 #127
Nailed it. Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #136
I'm a data security professional; so are others on this thread. Maybe you are too. The OP is not. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #152
Ok so nothing illegal. Judgement wasn't good though, just like Iraq War vote. n/t Avalux Jan 2016 #129
THERE ARE 7 EMAILS SO SENSITIVE THE INVESTIGATORS CAN'T SEE THEM. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #142
I've got some news for you - the Gop & the Koch Bros & Karl are not going to read your list. jillan Jan 2016 #144
I actually feel sorry for those who Recced this Arazi Jan 2016 #145
I have no idea who you are & you have no creds here...who to believe? Sheepshank Jan 2016 #148
K & R. Thanks for the reasonable perspective. Surya Gayatri Jan 2016 #149
Kick DesertRat Jan 2016 #155
Excellent! Thanks !! RBInMaine Jan 2016 #156
Clinton is a horrible candidate, but I have yet to see anything scandalous about Clinton's emails Vattel Jan 2016 #157
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