No magic wands here. (Reply #39) - Democratic Underground

In the discussion thread: Do you buy into the single payer fantasy of Sanders? [View all]

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 07:27 AM

39. No magic wands here.

But if you start from the assumption that you have a goal, you'll never get to that goal.

We keep seeing the Overton window move right. It's time to start moving it left again.

Sanders has already done more to reform the word 'socialism' with his run than anything since the McCarthy era, even though he's just a tiny bit more socialist than any Dem out there. Shift the public's view on single payer enough, and we might get a Congress that might at least do a public option, or a lower medicare enrollment age in the next 8 years. We certainly won't if we never even try for more.

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96 replies	Author	Time	Post
Do you buy into the single payer fantasy of Sanders? [View all]	Prism	Jan 2016	OP
I know if we do nothing then we get nothing.	Fearless	Jan 2016	#1
+1	daleanime	Jan 2016	#11
This is it.	tecelote	Jan 2016	#12
No Dem candidate is talking	BlueMTexpat	Jan 2016	#26
so the not doing nothing dem canidate	tk2kewl	Jan 2016	#44
ACTUALLY that's exactly what she's saying	Fearless	Jan 2016	#70
She is NOT saying that	BlueMTexpat	Jan 2016	#72
She has come out against single payer. ACTUALLY.	Fearless	Jan 2016	#86
I lived in Europe and liked the way single payer worked there. It is especially good for	JDPriestly	Jan 2016	#2
SP	enid602	Jan 2016	#43
I was brought up with the British UK and I miss the NHS	Rosa Luxemburg	Jan 2016	#94
The term "single payer" is in common parlance	Ron Green	Jan 2016	#3
He never promised anything. Just talking bout things valuable to shoot for. With our help.	highprincipleswork	Jan 2016	#4
I do and I have wondered for years why the Democratic keep rolling over on the	Todays_Illusion	Jan 2016	#5
Three things	EdwardBernays	Jan 2016	#6
Would be fun watching him try	unc70	Jan 2016	#7
I buy into that it is probably the best way long-term, but he's not being honest about the cost or	Hoyt	Jan 2016	#8
Who voted for war?	Omaha Steve	Jan 2016	#9
+1	daleanime	Jan 2016	#13
Yep. You never hear the corporatists or their cheerleaders spreading anti-war messages with	GoneFishin	Jan 2016	#29
+1	kristopher	Jan 2016	#30
Yes, of course people want choice.	freedom fighter jh	Jan 2016	#34
Good to know	chervilant	Jan 2016	#71
If Sanders isn't elected, we won't even have the ACA	mdbl	Jan 2016	#10
Becasue of her close ties to the Insurance Industry and pharmacuticals	INdemo	Jan 2016	#41
So many other countries can do it.	tecelote	Jan 2016	#14
Yep! I'm a sucker for a good deal. I plead guilty.	Stevepol	Jan 2016	#15
I dunno. Do you buy into the cowardly doublespeak of his detractors?	Android3.14	Jan 2016	#16
No one believes it will be easy or happen over night	bowens43	Jan 2016	#17
It's funny... With regard to women's right to vote, not too long ago...	Helen Borg	Jan 2016	#18
If we get progressives in on his coat tails.......	Half-Century Man	Jan 2016	#19
Oh boy	wtawilltaw	Jan 2016	#20
Not the way it works	MichMan	Jan 2016	#33
You dont start at zero and expect to go up..	wtawilltaw	Jan 2016	#59
who is putting forth "Bernie Sanders thinks if he's elected President, we will have single payer." ?	corkhead	Jan 2016	#21
If you are living in Fantasy Land - maybe	liberal N proud	Jan 2016	#22
It matters what the General Election voter believes. Bernie's put his plan out there,	pnwmom	Jan 2016	#23
As I recall, this was a fantasy most often seen in 2008.	Vinca	Jan 2016	#24
No Hillary supporter has	BlueMTexpat	Jan 2016	#27
Hillary supporters are, almost to a person, running opposed to single-payer.	Vinca	Jan 2016	#32
That is much different from saying,	BlueMTexpat	Jan 2016	#40
Just to discuss one point	mikehiggins	Jan 2016	#50
Are you kidding?	wildeyed	Jan 2016	#78
Calm down. I don't think I've ever called anyone on this site a mental defective.	Vinca	Jan 2016	#89
Asking for a workable budget on single-payer	wildeyed	Jan 2016	#90
"Trashing" ACA hasn't been proposed.	Vinca	Jan 2016	#93
The math will work.	OkSustainAg	Jan 2016	#25
THIS^^^	MrMickeysMom	Jan 2016	#28
Stop over inflating the military	OkSustainAg	Jan 2016	#37
Where?	wildeyed	Jan 2016	#79
The Bernie Sanders Health Plan Is Too Good To Be True, Analyst Says	Gothmog	Jan 2016	#49
Let's give single payer a try.	OkSustainAg	Jan 2016	#58
Why single payer died in Vermont	Gothmog	Jan 2016	#69
I totally read this as	wildeyed	Jan 2016	#80
Yes, I do.	OkSustainAg	Jan 2016	#95
when can we start calling buying into > $1 trillion for wars a "fantasy" ?? - n/t	Locrian	Jan 2016	#31
I believe in single payer	Duckhunter935	Jan 2016	#35
Negotiate from a position of STRENGTH. Bernie knows this.	yodermon	Jan 2016	#36
Yes, I do think that adopting a single payer system would be the best thing for this country.	bklyncowgirl	Jan 2016	#38
No magic wands here.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jan 2016	#39
No.	LWolf	Jan 2016	#42
Be careful. You're horning into Dan's territory. You guys need to coordinate.	HERVEPA	Jan 2016	#45
If you get a chance, can you let me know....	vi5	Jan 2016	#46
The Sanders plan depends on hypothetical costs savings that Prof. Krugman thinks are false	Gothmog	Jan 2016	#47
Bernie Sanders's fiction-filled campaign	Gothmog	Jan 2016	#48
It's not a fantasy for the rest of the civilized world!	Zen Democrat	Jan 2016	#53
Singld payer is a great goal.	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#51
Bernie is out to bring in a revolution from the White House to the House of Reps and Senate.	Zen Democrat	Jan 2016	#52
Do you honestly think Clinton will lift a finger	gyroscope	Jan 2016	#54
+1	CharlotteVale	Jan 2016	#61
I love the way Senator Sanders reaches for the entire pie, Obama should have done that too.	Sunlei	Jan 2016	#55
Why would politicians oppose Medicare for All? Money.	gordyfl	Jan 2016	#56
Sanders main platform is defeating special interrest monies that BLOCK to their	Jefferson23	Jan 2016	#57
Bernie will fight for it, but an "incrementalist" will cave to the Insurance Ind and Big Pharma	amborin	Jan 2016	#60
It's so nice to read an equally weighted OP, one that does not prejudge or load the question. nt	TheBlackAdder	Jan 2016	#62
The ACA was sold as a stepping stone, the fear that Benrie will undo Obamas "greatest"	Autumn	Jan 2016	#63
I do and it's no fantasy	Nanjeanne	Jan 2016	#64
If Bernie is elected single payer will inevitably follow.	Zorra	Jan 2016	#65
fantasy? - stupid question - the question should be	SoLeftIAmRight	Jan 2016	#66
Is this a rhetorical question,	wildeyed	Jan 2016	#74
Defeatism	AgingAmerican	Jan 2016	#67
Hopefully, we'll find out with Bernie. With Hillary we already know we won't.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jan 2016	#68
Nah. All you need is a politician	wildeyed	Jan 2016	#73
Please stop.	H2O Man	Jan 2016	#75
How rude ...	Trajan	Jan 2016	#76
We return to caring about PEOPLE, or fuck them?	wildeyed	Jan 2016	#81
Gone	Trajan	Jan 2016	#83
Gone.	wildeyed	Jan 2016	#85
Hah ... 'The Right Direction'	Trajan	Jan 2016	#77
Vermont is a small state	Nanjeanne	Jan 2016	#82
I trust Bernie to do everything he can to steer us in the right direction.	senz	Jan 2016	#84
It may take longer than that,	Blue_In_AK	Jan 2016	#87
Yes, it will happen. It is only sensible.	Betty Karlson	Jan 2016	#88
"A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?"	JustABozoOnThisBus	Jan 2016	#91
‘Single-payer is the only health reform that pays for itself’	Ferd Berfel	Jan 2016	#92
The same people who are claiming Obama didn't get it	treestar	Jan 2016	#96

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