Most of us live in states where our votes don't matter. (Reply #175)

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jeff47 (26,549 posts)

175. Most of us live in states where our votes don't matter.

If Clinton is our nominee, she will lose my state. Badly. As a result, I'd get "the luxury" of a meaningless vote in the general election.

(Clinton has zero chance of overcoming the entrenched hatred by rural voters, and her "Nope!" campaign cannot get enough urban voters out to overcome that. Sanders or O'Malley have a very low chance, but probably won't campaign here to boost that because there are easier states to win to get to 270.)

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]	darkangel218	Jan 2016	OP
I agree with you!	Odin2005	Jan 2016	#1
+1	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#3
Et Tu Manny?	Dawson Leery	Jan 2016	#2
I'm not Manny. I'm darkangel218.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#4
consensus	enid602	Jan 2016	#8
No.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#10
true?	Kali	Jan 2016	#13
Hows your kid?	Katashi_itto	Jan 2016	#114
which one?	Kali	Jan 2016	#191
If you say so	Katashi_itto	Jan 2016	#195
Damn right.	draa	Jan 2016	#70
Honestly? I look forward to the TOS kicking in so	Hortensis	Jan 2016	#104
And when Sanders wins we won't have to listen to more Clinton white knighting.	draa	Jan 2016	#165
This place will only have 20 active members if that happens.	Fawke Em	Jan 2016	#201
I'm guessing many people have come and left	Hortensis	Jan 2016	#218
Yes, It IS Called Personal And Political INTEGRITY!	CorporatistNation	Jan 2016	#137
integrity?	Kali	Jan 2016	#207
I would never vote for a Republican.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#241
I said I would vote for HRC if she's the nominee.	JRLeft	Jan 2016	#12
policy decision	enid602	Jan 2016	#15
If Hillary wins Iowa the race is over period.	JRLeft	Jan 2016	#17
The disdain for Clinton's	CoffeeCat	Jan 2016	#59
I told my husband a year ago that if she ends up being the nominee,	Fawke Em	Jan 2016	#203
I remarked to my wife almost the same thing.	Juicy_Bellows	Jan 2016	#220
not true many of us have been D's for a very long time and	unapatriciated	Jan 2016	#111
I wouldn't have a problem voting for O'Malley if he where the nominee. n/t	TIME TO PANIC	Jan 2016	#182
Wrong. It is nowhere near a consensus.	Jim Lane	Jan 2016	#217
Yes, many will change their minds,	passiveporcupine	Jan 2016	#234
Silly.	840high	Jan 2016	#206
...	Kali	Jan 2016	#5
This message was self-deleted by its author	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#7
And yes.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#26
pfffttt	Kali	Jan 2016	#194
Did you read some Dr. Seuss before posting this?	Renew Deal	Jan 2016	#6
You think I am against HC because of "guns"???	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#9
Your views certainly don't align with the "mainstream candidate" in that regard	Renew Deal	Jan 2016	#11
Not at all.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#18
This ^ n/t	SheenaR	Jan 2016	#62
IBTPPR. n/t	JTFrog	Jan 2016	#14
The Primary is not over.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#20
You must believe that your vote belongs to you and not to a politician, party, or forum. K&R	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jan 2016	#16
My vote belongs to the party that wont purposely harm Americans...	randys1	Jan 2016	#133
The standards you set for yourself are draconian.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jan 2016	#157
I didnt think it was possible to oppose in anyway what I said, but you managed to	randys1	Jan 2016	#160
I was being sincere.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jan 2016	#164
So you are debating my statement that if cons take over the govt people will die?	randys1	Jan 2016	#166
Not at all.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jan 2016	#170
Supreme Court nominees matter	KingFlorez	Jan 2016	#19
They do.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#21
...and you forgot the Children.	Sheepshank	Jan 2016	#123
The millions of children in the ME and NA who've suffered, been maimed, killed, are	polly7	Jan 2016	#132
As part of this gbcw post it's quite a pathetic use of gripes.	Sheepshank	Jan 2016	#149
You don't like the poster ............ big deal.	polly7	Jan 2016	#151
Start a new thread on this important matter	Sheepshank	Jan 2016	#152
No. But it's obvious to me the mention of those children is just more 'drama' to you. nt.	polly7	Jan 2016	#153
Twisted logic employed....but ok whatever floats your boat nt	Sheepshank	Jan 2016	#155
I wish the boats those refugee children's families were using to try to get	polly7	Jan 2016	#158
Why vote for someone who denigrates your values,	delrem	Jan 2016	#28
I think Bernie will have better SC and Federal Court nominees.	Fuddnik	Jan 2016	#72
That's what democracy is about.	delrem	Jan 2016	#22
Exactly.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#23
.^that	840high	Jan 2016	#208
So? What do you want, a prize?	Beacool	Jan 2016	#24
We don't want a "price".	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#25
Refusing to vote for the party's nominee is shortsighted and selfish.	Beacool	Jan 2016	#27
No it is not.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#31
It looks like you won't be voting very often in your lifetime.	blue neen	Jan 2016	#71
Funny, Ed Rendell came to a different conclusion	JonLeibowitz	Jan 2016	#33
And did you notice any whining, threats, outrage over Rendell choosing to support Bloomberg	in_cog_ni_to	Jan 2016	#105
No it's not.	Fawke Em	Jan 2016	#205
Hmm	CakeGrrl	Jan 2016	#226
Would Sanders be an "establishment/status quo lover" if he endorsed her?	joshcryer	Jan 2016	#29
Yes.	delrem	Jan 2016	#49
Of course he would	rpannier	Jan 2016	#87
Waiting for an answer from the OP.	joshcryer	Jan 2016	#88
Temper tantrum	alcibiades_mystery	Jan 2016	#30
No. It is my stance. You will not compromise fundamental issues.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#34
Whatever	alcibiades_mystery	Jan 2016	#36
Right back atcha.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#38
Good one	alcibiades_mystery	Jan 2016	#40
Look in the mirror before calling someone else " childish "	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#43
I'm not the onethrowing a temper tantrum daring the Admins to ban me	alcibiades_mystery	Jan 2016	#46
We don't have a nominee yet. You are the one throwing a "tantrum",	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#47
Blah blah blah	alcibiades_mystery	Jan 2016	#51
"Blah blah blah"?	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#52
It's clear you just want to have your little temper tantrum and have people to bounce it off of	alcibiades_mystery	Jan 2016	#54
My concern is if this meme gets louder, the Bernie or bust stuff, that if Bernie does lose	randys1	Jan 2016	#138
Is this thread a clear violation of the ToS?	ProudToBeLiberal	Jan 2016	#32
Because we don't have a nominee yet.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#35
It definitely looks like it is	DesertRat	Jan 2016	#37
No it is not.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#41
nope. only after the convention. nt	restorefreedom	Jan 2016	#116
Skinner is only going after advocates.	joshcryer	Jan 2016	#78
The OP hasn't said the magic words...	SidDithers	Jan 2016	#120
Results of jury service:	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jan 2016	#39
And yet, as we saw earlier today, Ed Rendell is allowed to be a PUMA with no condemnation.	JonLeibowitz	Jan 2016	#56
To be fair, Rendell isn't advocating it on DU	mythology	Jan 2016	#99
What does Rendell have to do with a post made at DU?	randys1	Jan 2016	#139
Ordinarily? nothing.	JonLeibowitz	Jan 2016	#142
So there are moderate Dems who will on occasion (as opposed to 24/7 like all cons) be	randys1	Jan 2016	#144
I don't disagree with you.	JonLeibowitz	Jan 2016	#148
The OP will stand but this will get a hide	GusBob	Jan 2016	#42
Jury results:	ucrdem	Jan 2016	#66
When "go fuck yourself loser" is allowed to stand I know this place has jumped the shark.	CBGLuthier	Jan 2016	#79
Why... Not surprising since...	Sheepshank	Jan 2016	#119
Was that for real?	DFW	Jan 2016	#221
Geez, I got a post hidden for putting it in short form.	polly7	Jan 2016	#219
It is truly pathetic that people can tell others to fuck off and not get a hide.	PoliticalMalcontent	Jan 2016	#84
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	Jan 2016	#232
I base my decision on issues.	JEB	Jan 2016	#44
PM I just received from KMOD:	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#45
shit happens. Put the PMer on "block mail" ignore.	delrem	Jan 2016	#57
I agree with KMOD	Sheepshank	Jan 2016	#127
sunshine is a good disinfectant	Duckhunter935	Jan 2016	#129
hell, you have sent worse	Kali	Jan 2016	#198
KMOD	William769	Jan 2016	#209
Right?	polly7	Jan 2016	#213
Put him/her on ignore	840high	Jan 2016	#214
Wow, that is disgusting!	Odin2005	Jan 2016	#231
I can't go there.	Qutzupalotl	Jan 2016	#48
I hope many of you change your minds after you cool off.	rusty quoin	Jan 2016	#50
Many here are tired of holding their nose.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#53
If you say so. If you have a better way, I'm all ears.	rusty quoin	Jan 2016	#58
All through the cold war a certain "truth" was drilled into me,	delrem	Jan 2016	#65
What is drilled into me is when people stay at home, conservatives win.	rusty quoin	Jan 2016	#67
Goldman Sachs and Haliburton rule with an advocate for "choice",	delrem	Jan 2016	#74
No. Because we have people like Bernie Sanders who want us to stay involved.	rusty quoin	Jan 2016	#82
Cough.	delrem	Jan 2016	#85
Most of us live in states where our votes don't matter.	jeff47	Jan 2016	#175
What is this? Logic? Common sense?	DFW	Jan 2016	#223
I'm not an admirer of Sanders but a supporter of Clinton. I'm not stupid, so I will vote for	demosincebirth	Jan 2016	#55
That's OK.	delrem	Jan 2016	#60
Right.	blue neen	Jan 2016	#81
Loser talk. Enjoy President Trump. That goes for any Bernie or Hillary fan that won't back	TeamPooka	Jan 2016	#61
I disagree	SheenaR	Jan 2016	#63
Newbies here, like you, who agitate for others to not support the Democratic Party nominee	TeamPooka	Jan 2016	#167
Sanders can easily defeat the likes of Trump.	delrem	Jan 2016	#69
Said in the thread where the Bernie supporters are talking about not supporting HC.	TeamPooka	Jan 2016	#171
I didn't think about that enough.	rusty quoin	Jan 2016	#76
Yes it is. And anyone who doesn't realize it foolish and unaware. Remember, they didn't just	TeamPooka	Jan 2016	#159
Enjoy President Trump, eh? That's what Hillary will get us.	pinebox	Jan 2016	#112
Thanks for your straw man argument but that's not the debate point I made here right now. nt	TeamPooka	Jan 2016	#161
You mean my reality?	pinebox	Jan 2016	#163
No. It's important that we GOTV. That's how we ensure victory. Not staying home because we're bitter	TeamPooka	Jan 2016	#169
It won't work	pinebox	Jan 2016	#172
You've got blinders on. Enjoy President Trump. Maybe then you'll learn, after he destroys America.nt	TeamPooka	Jan 2016	#173
Sure after they nominate Hillary then it will be Trump.	pinebox	Jan 2016	#179
"Electablity" isn't the debate point I made here but your straw man argument is very GOP.	TeamPooka	Jan 2016	#185
My strawman?	pinebox	Jan 2016	#188
Still loser talk. Either from Bernie or Hillary supporters. facts is facts. GOTV is the only thing!	TeamPooka	Jan 2016	#189
"Loser talk"	pinebox	Jan 2016	#193
You are Karl Rove's wet dream. Democratic Party voters staying home on election day is what he	TeamPooka	Jan 2016	#196
Same here	newfie11	Jan 2016	#64
Me too!	peacebird	Jan 2016	#134
That's what I'll do. I'm older	840high	Jan 2016	#216
Looks like several DUers want a Republican Party victory in November	LonePirate	Jan 2016	#68
Some actually are here doing a job for Karl Rove, not sure how many, but count on it.	randys1	Jan 2016	#141
More of	Eko	Jan 2016	#73
Take your toys and go home.	JohnnyRingo	Jan 2016	#75
Dark Angel, your vote is your business. You don't do anyone but the McCarthyites any favors	merrily	Jan 2016	#77
You are one of the worst types of fanatics	Eko	Jan 2016	#80
As a Bernie Sanders supporter, your logic eludes me.	californiabernin	Jan 2016	#83
Welcome to DU	PADemD	Jan 2016	#90
What you said	randys1	Jan 2016	#143
The flaw in your analysis is we don't have popular vote elections for president.	jeff47	Jan 2016	#184
Should she get the nomination	rpannier	Jan 2016	#86
If a republican wins, it's because the Democrat party	coyote	Jan 2016	#89
That's fine	rpannier	Jan 2016	#91
Not a single Hillary supporter spoke against Rendell for floating not backing the nominee.	JonLeibowitz	Jan 2016	#135
"The Democrat party"?	Recursion	Jan 2016	#109
Oh my god,	coyote	Jan 2016	#190
"Democrat" party?	mcar	Jan 2016	#117
Yes I know,	coyote	Jan 2016	#192
Oh, we're used to it by now.	DFW	Jan 2016	#224
It's the "Democratic" party, not the "Democrat" party.	zappaman	Jan 2016	#126
You got me.	coyote	Jan 2016	#199
HEY!, i had to vote for DUKAKIS! bloody LURCH!! FUCKING JOE LIEBERFUCKENPUTZ! if i have to,	pansypoo53219	Jan 2016	#92
Haha....	quickesst	Jan 2016	#93
K + R!	Splinter Cell	Jan 2016	#94
So many DU PUMAs.	sufrommich	Jan 2016	#95
PUMA's have become the Sanders of 2016. Nt.	seabeyond	Jan 2016	#178
I will.	NCTraveler	Jan 2016	#96
Why are you even on DU?	tammywammy	Jan 2016	#97
Because the time-out at DI lasts until mid-March...	SidDithers	Jan 2016	#122
Lol. Bummer. Nt.	seabeyond	Jan 2016	#180
Darn good thing you keep such an eye on members here and there!	polly7	Jan 2016	#183
OMG. That is totally hillarious	Sheepshank	Jan 2016	#136
Because she feels like it and is a member who feels like discussing. Why is anyone here? nt.	polly7	Jan 2016	#146
I'm just curious when a member says "Fuck DU" why they come back.	tammywammy	Jan 2016	#197
Lots of members here have said it.	polly7	Jan 2016	#200
Yes, I do	tammywammy	Jan 2016	#211
I find that level of what to me seems like real hatred curious also - vile, horrible insults	polly7	Jan 2016	#215
OK. Thanks for letting us know. nt	MineralMan	Jan 2016	#98
That's fine, it's your vote.	Agschmid	Jan 2016	#100
I trash threads like this.	BlueMTexpat	Jan 2016	#101
The only liberals who I could understand opposing Hillary are ...	Onlooker	Jan 2016	#102
I applaud your conviction, and stand with you.	cherokeeprogressive	Jan 2016	#103
conviction?	Kali	Jan 2016	#212
I admire people with principles.	in_cog_ni_to	Jan 2016	#106
Ok, then don't.	Bobbie Jo	Jan 2016	#107
Hey, darkangel!	polly7	Jan 2016	#108
There are many Sanders supporters, like myself	unapatriciated	Jan 2016	#110
The majority?	HassleCat	Jan 2016	#113
Okay - thanks for sharing	Politicub	Jan 2016	#115
Obviously you cared enough to respond	tularetom	Jan 2016	#128
Taking a couple of minutes to type something isn't "caring"	Politicub	Jan 2016	#147
You failed to point out that I cared enough to respond to your post	tularetom	Jan 2016	#150
Perspicacious - had to look that one up	Politicub	Jan 2016	#156
Oh god...what a pretend swan song. Oh the drama	Sheepshank	Jan 2016	#118
Methinks the OP has gotten the vapors	Politicub	Jan 2016	#174
O. K. ...nt	SidDithers	Jan 2016	#121
ooooh, the loyalists aren't pleased with you! I am surprised you only got one unhinged PM!nt	m-lekktor	Jan 2016	#124
What a thread this is...	pinebox	Jan 2016	#125
same here	Duckhunter935	Jan 2016	#130
Bernie will be disappointed, because he will need Hillary in the WH if it cant be him, to have ANY	randys1	Jan 2016	#131
OK.	Empowerer	Jan 2016	#140
I haven't decided anything yet....	vi5	Jan 2016	#145
I support Bernie, but if Hillary gets the nomination I WILL VOTE FOR HER! You should too!	B Calm	Jan 2016	#154
Likewise -- if Bernie gets the nom, he has my vote	Politicub	Jan 2016	#177
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jan 2016	#162
I'll say goodby in advance then.	brooklynite	Jan 2016	#168
Don't be so sure about that.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#238
No one cares.	seabeyond	Jan 2016	#176
It seems like quite a few here do care.	polly7	Jan 2016	#204
Translation: Wild-Eyed Tea-Left Fringe Rant That Helps Donald Trump	RBInMaine	Jan 2016	#181
Then stop supporting Trump Lite.	Fawke Em	Jan 2016	#210
Pretty sure she's going to be indicted soon	Reter	Jan 2016	#186
Herr Trump appreciates all you are doing to ensure his election to Führer of Amerika	workinclasszero	Jan 2016	#187
Kickin'	Faux pas	Jan 2016	#202
You're alright with me!	Juicy_Bellows	Jan 2016	#222
Some people seem to be operating under a misunderstanding of the TOS, it applies NOW.	seaglass	Jan 2016	#225
Another Sanders supporter stating that s/he won't vote for Hillary if she's the nominee. 50 recs!	Metric System	Jan 2016	#227
I will vote for the nominee no matter who the party nominates.	redstatebluegirl	Jan 2016	#228
I cannot believe how many have forgotten what it was like to live under 8 yrs of Bush.	seaglass	Jan 2016	#233
You are actually a tiny minority. And since you won't vote for the nominee	KittyWampus	Jan 2016	#229
Exactly!	Andy823	Jan 2016	#243
Fundamental values	onenote	Jan 2016	#230
I don't think I can vote for someone who lies when it makes no sense to. I just can't	kelly1mm	Jan 2016	#235
+1	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#244
I feel the absence of Manny and L0oniX every time I visit DU.	senz	Jan 2016	#236
I'm not going anywhere.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#237
Post removed	Post removed	Jan 2016	#239
I could care less for your silly, baseless name calling.	darkangel218	Jan 2016	#240
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