2016 Postmortem

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116. why would a kid with bad performance in HS

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:17 PM

Jan 2016

Last edited Fri Jan 22, 2016, 01:02 PM - Edit history (1)

get to go to college? Don't you think there will be criteria for getting that free college?

also, what's wrong with helping wealthy kids get into college as well? we don't hate the wealthy, we just tax them fairly. so their parents will be paying higher taxes to balance it out.

did they goof off on the governments dime and fail? expulsion and no more gov assistance is the solution. easy.

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Bill Clinton: People like me and Hillary can afford to go to college. The govt can't help everyone. [View all] Skwmom Jan 2016 OP

spoken like a true greedy vulture capitalist 1% er restorefreedom Jan 2016 #1

I despise people like this. Whether it's some GOP a-hole nc4bo Jan 2016 #2

a secular amen! sing it restorefreedom Jan 2016 #14

But, he felt our pain! merrily Jan 2016 #34

Yeah, he felt our pain and laughed it off. Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #73

!!!!! nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #78

"The era of Big Government is OVER!!!"--- Bill Clinton bvar22 Jan 2016 #175

They are talking about not paying rich kids to go to school free yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #39

the wealthy kids won't be interested in free 2-yr community college secondwind Jan 2016 #59

Sanders is proposing making tuition, but not room and board it should be noted, dsc Jan 2016 #61

Let's be honest pinebox Jan 2016 #64

No it isn't dsc Jan 2016 #67

And what does Hillary's plan do to help those "poor, inner city kids Autumn Jan 2016 #86

As noted before....That's the silliiest attack I've ever heard Armstead Jan 2016 #174

How does free tuition PREVENT poor kids from going to class?? arcane1 Jan 2016 #179

And with free tuition they would be able to attract.... daleanime Jan 2016 #181

What you don't get is means-tested programs are targets jeff47 Jan 2016 #83

yes, the "trumps kids don't need free" comment. so are we going to start taking medicare and ss away restorefreedom Jan 2016 #87

Sanders has advocated free tuition sulphurdunn Jan 2016 #100

Should we kick them out of K-12? GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #134

No, the rich should be forced to obtain their educatation the same way us poor folks do nolabels Jan 2016 #144

excellent point! liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #152

So what if rich kids get educated as well. TM99 Jan 2016 #155

First, that's not what was said. Second, remind me of their plan for middle class kids to go to merrily Jan 2016 #180

It's a red herring. Rich kids only go to state schools if they can't get into JDPriestly Jan 2016 #185

That is how it sounded to me, too... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #190

what else would you expect from someone who, while governor, presided KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #44

When I watched the extra footage on the dvd movie "Sometime in April" about the Rwanda genocide Skwmom Jan 2016 #55

And now the Rwanda genocide is Clinton's fault too! bluestateguy Jan 2016 #166

FYI Skwmom Jan 2016 #188

Oh here we go bluestateguy Jan 2016 #118

You are now in record as defending the execution of someone with an KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #120

Of course. He's an operator.... paleotn Jan 2016 #58

The Clintons have been out of touch with average Americans for a long time. liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #3

i am sure they will be good burger flippers restorefreedom Jan 2016 #16

Oh, the promising young minds? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2016 #48

If you read the article bluestateguy Jan 2016 #113

I know what he meant. Hillary is against tuition free college, and she also wants liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #149

If I had gone from "dead broke" to $200+ mill in 15 years I might say the same. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #4

Hey now, as Bill says "He has to pay his bills." Skwmom Jan 2016 #7

As NYT expose of Clinton foundation noted, the Clintons don't do boundaries. Divernan Jan 2016 #11

But the degree to which they take it boggles the mind. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #22

Not surprising, but saddening... Tien1985 Jan 2016 #5

Swirling the drain PDittie Jan 2016 #6

OK then I'll say it: the Clintons are acting like Bushes. Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #70

Wisconsin, heh? Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #91

Feingold is up about ten points on Ron Johnson. Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #105

Thank you. Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #130

Tone deaf Hill & Bill continue to tightly embrace the establishment. Divernan Jan 2016 #8

No amount of spin would make people believe the Clintons are not establishment! n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #17

Tone deaf suggests that's unfortunate phrasing that is not the real Bill Clinton HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #20

I'm convinced it is the real Bill Clinton. Punkingal Jan 2016 #26

Penultimate narcissist - all superficial charm, no true empathy. Divernan Jan 2016 #30

I assume that is an accurate quote Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #9

Sorry, but his statement - we can't afford to help everyone while they have a LONG HISTORY of Skwmom Jan 2016 #12

I think you fundamentally misread me Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #38

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #80

What he was saying is "Don't give that free college to people who are rich." MADem Jan 2016 #15

Really? Since when did Hillary support free college for those who are not rich? Skwmom Jan 2016 #18

Bill is the one talking...BILL! He's the one saying "Don't give free college money to RICH people." MADem Jan 2016 #27

Are you advocating for means testing for a free public high school education? Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #25

No, I'm not. I agree with Bernie's approach. In criticizing Bernie's plan Clinton said he Skwmom Jan 2016 #37

We agree, I was replying to MADem in that post. n/t Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #40

Wow, are you in pain? MADem Jan 2016 #42

Now, now... Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #45

Here's what I'm saying. You can want something that is not going to happen. MADem Jan 2016 #123

Thank you for this substantial post Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #138

Brilliant! This should be an OP with its themes elaborated upon. - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #52

Thank you. I have a busy schedule today but maybe tonight or tomorrow I will try to n/t Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #139

No it isn't dsc Jan 2016 #60

I had a relative (RIP) who taught her entire career in one of those shitholes. MADem Jan 2016 #132

Don't give Social Security to those that are rich, yada yada yada. Post-secondary education KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #62

I urge you to lobby Congress with that thought, starting right now! MADem Jan 2016 #82

What's your point? - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #88

Read it slower, this time. There are a couple of rather direct and simple points in the post. MADem Jan 2016 #145

Yes I find fault with that jberryhill Jan 2016 #72

You know, all the fuck, God-dammit, dickhead, and fucking doesn't improve your argument. MADem Jan 2016 #77

i think the poster makes an excellent point restorefreedom Jan 2016 #94

A kid with "less than supportive" parents can separate from them entirely. MADem Jan 2016 #143

i get what you're saying restorefreedom Jan 2016 #164

Once they're 18, all they need to do is file their taxes and claim themselves. MADem Jan 2016 #167

well that sucks restorefreedom Jan 2016 #173

We must deny college education to millions who can't afford it jberryhill Jan 2016 #200

and they probably would not even benefit restorefreedom Jan 2016 #201

I'm cranky today jberryhill Jan 2016 #112

Well said. azmom Jan 2016 #140

Now, I do feel for you, but you do know there are people for whom a trip to the Caymans MADem Jan 2016 #142

I usually vape jberryhill Jan 2016 #157

Ah, it's a WORK trip! MADem Jan 2016 #169

Yeah, the charm kinda wears off when you don't get actual vacations jberryhill Jan 2016 #171

And, yeah, I forgot my patches jberryhill Jan 2016 #163

I hope things look up for you--a day in the sun should help, when you finally get there. nt MADem Jan 2016 #168

Oh, yeah... jberryhill Jan 2016 #170

I think people deserve help. I got through college with loans and scholarships and grants, myself. MADem Jan 2016 #182

Other countries don't find it impossible jberryhill Jan 2016 #184

Germany manages by giving us bases in exchange for the "cover" of our military prowess. MADem Jan 2016 #193

Aw c'mon... jberryhill Jan 2016 #203

I don't miss the Cold War....now it's a different version of the same old tensions, though. MADem Jan 2016 #204

And he's wrong. jeff47 Jan 2016 #89

I don't think he's wrong at all. MADem Jan 2016 #194

Largely because you still don't seem to understand jeff47 Jan 2016 #199

I understand perfectly that people who cannot afford things, but who get them, treasure them. MADem Jan 2016 #202

I didn't used to agree with that. jberryhill Jan 2016 #205

If we audited the Pentagon and cut the massive fraud, waste, and abuse there we could Dustlawyer Jan 2016 #51

I agree Old Codger Jan 2016 #81

I'm not so sure he thinks his comment needs clarification Oilwellian Jan 2016 #127

The "twist" I've seen in the OP re: Clinton's words is remarkable. MADem Jan 2016 #10

Its amazing the kind of bullshit folks come up with on DU anymore. JoePhilly Jan 2016 #21

Seriously. And of all the billionaries to complain about, they pick George Soros? FSogol Jan 2016 #24

The manufactured outrage won't just make itself. JoePhilly Jan 2016 #31

George Soros is HATED ..... by the RIGHT WING. MADem Jan 2016 #43

Yup, Support for Drudge & Palin on DU while people rip Rachel Maddow & George Soros FSogol Jan 2016 #50

Wells Fargo, which Hillary's buddy Warren Buffet LOVES engaged in predatory Skwmom Jan 2016 #28

Yes indeed--they most CERTAINLY do!!! MADem Jan 2016 #49

Of course Sanders' plan covers public colleges and not ITT Tech, so if people had the option of a Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #32

Guess what? That 158K worth of loans that guy took out would have been ACCEPTED at MADem Jan 2016 #47

The point that is sailing over your head is there is no real difference jeff47 Jan 2016 #96

I'm sorry, that makes no doggone sense. MADem Jan 2016 #196

"Let them eat cake" ... aggiesal Jan 2016 #102

??? MADem Jan 2016 #195

I believe he's saying ... aggiesal Jan 2016 #197

Well, when I was in college, you could buy a mansion for less than 30K. MADem Jan 2016 #198

Thank you bluestateguy Jan 2016 #192

Yeah, Hillary cares about jobs all right...H-1B visa ones. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #13

and outsourced ones. nt antigop Jan 2016 #19

The world needs ditch-diggers, too, right, Bill? deutsey Jan 2016 #23

Bubba's wiki says he went to college with the help of scholarships. merrily Jan 2016 #29

No. They won't. Both of HRC's presidential campaigns point to that. nt stillwaiting Jan 2016 #36

. merrily Jan 2016 #41

That's something I might expect Hillary to say before Bill Jarqui Jan 2016 #33

WTF?!?!?! RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #35

They can't attack the messenger because when they do it is perceived as attacking the message. I Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #68

You are quite correct RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #129

This line of attack is total bullshit. blackspade Jan 2016 #46

Plenty of rich kids go to public colleges bluestateguy Jan 2016 #121

You missed my point or are ignoring it. blackspade Jan 2016 #122

No, I was addressing one of your points bluestateguy Jan 2016 #128

OK, so very few. blackspade Jan 2016 #165

Yeah, because the rich will send their kids to free community college instead of Harvard, Yale, etc. magical thyme Jan 2016 #53

But should the money they'd have gotten for Community College go to Harvard instead? KittyWampus Jan 2016 #92

Sure. jeff47 Jan 2016 #99

I'm guessing the "hopey changey" thing was not MuseRider Jan 2016 #54

But, But, But, Punx Jan 2016 #56

I'm sure Bill enjoyed all the grants and scholarships that were out there, including the Rhodes secondwind Jan 2016 #57

Shit like this is EXACTLY why Hillary is tanking. pinebox Jan 2016 #63

What is wrong with everyone? He's been making this point for years. Bleacher Creature Jan 2016 #65

Except Hillary also said something similar Oilwellian Jan 2016 #136

If Bill Clinton ever took time to use common INdemo Jan 2016 #66

Bill and his pal Phil are why he thinks there's no money for you. Octafish Jan 2016 #69

Not everyone by any means belongs in college Gman Jan 2016 #71

College tuition is a heck of a lot more than it use to be. nt Skwmom Jan 2016 #95

You solve that problem with admission standards jeff47 Jan 2016 #103

Works for me Gman Jan 2016 #108

When working 40 plus hours a week at min wage Stargazer99 Jan 2016 #117

Wrong. liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #156

Some people are better off getting Microsoft certified Gman Jan 2016 #162

You have admission standards jberryhill Jan 2016 #172

This message was self-deleted by its author Hiraeth Jan 2016 #74

wow, more "yes, we can't". Javaman Jan 2016 #75

Bill used to have such a knack for politics. Now he's lost it. What happened? Money. thereismore Jan 2016 #76

Shame what they're doing to their legacy Not Sure Jan 2016 #79

This probably shouldn't..... daleanime Jan 2016 #84

You there peasants, you don't need college. Can't have you people getting educated, you might peacebird Jan 2016 #85

You nailed it! Stargazer99 Jan 2016 #119

The Clintons took advantage of their "public service" jobs... raindaddy Jan 2016 #90

What a stupid argument DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #93

Everyone doesn't have the ability or want to go to college. I could have gone doc03 Jan 2016 #97

I think we should give up the loan model treestar Jan 2016 #98

I'm a Bernie person all the way, but this OP is misleading. noamnety Jan 2016 #101

For profits like ITT Technical Institute prey on LibDemAlways Jan 2016 #104

Funny. Shadowflash Jan 2016 #106

The govt can't help everyone. AlbertCat Jan 2016 #107

Back when they were 'dead broke' how was Chelsea going to go to college? Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #109

Ugh. Shadowflash Jan 2016 #110

I agree with him bluestateguy Jan 2016 #111

why would a kid with bad performance in HS retrowire Jan 2016 #116

It is assumed a bar of discipline, work ethic and organization skills harun Jan 2016 #148

In the old days - Democrats Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #114

ha-- good point Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #133

And this is why there is a Third Way..................................... turbinetree Jan 2016 #115

Millionaires advising people to "work hard and play by the rules". Rules set by the wealthy. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #124

OH goody! More propaganda from the NO WE CAN'T Campaign. SoapBox Jan 2016 #125

Either he wants to undermine Hillary or he is losing his marbles. snagglepuss Jan 2016 #126

Democrats are voting for this attitude? That not everyone deserves healthcare or education? LittleBlue Jan 2016 #131

Then don't go to public college, Bill. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #135

College should not be based on affordability as much as aptitude for higher learning. Hiraeth Jan 2016 #137

We don't do that for K-12 education. If we did all the special education students would be liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #159

I think we are in agreement. You can lead people to information but, you can't make them think. Hiraeth Jan 2016 #161

From the "I tried to care about money" dad. azmom Jan 2016 #141

Yay for Inequality! That should sell well with 2-3% of the voters. harun Jan 2016 #146

Sorry for Mr. Villalba...pursued his dream, and now is paying for it. EndElectoral Jan 2016 #147

WTF??!! xynthee Jan 2016 #150

Whatever Bill "meant," the fact remains that Clinton operatives twist Bernie's words every day. last1standing Jan 2016 #151

"Establishment calling on lines 1 and 2, sir." n/t Orsino Jan 2016 #153

WTF Bill! a TV ad should be aired with Bill saying that Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #154

"we can't go back to 1988! the country would collapse!" (pic-heavy) MisterP Jan 2016 #158

He is right. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #160

I assumed he was making a means test argument, which I strongly oppose because when randys1 Jan 2016 #178

Strange how you don't understand how "universal" things work Armstead Jan 2016 #183

Something is missing, he wouldnt say he could afford college and then say we need more jobs randys1 Jan 2016 #176

Well Skwmom Jan 2016 #189

Just one of Hillary's speeches would pay for a college education The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #177

Hey Bill...that was before you signed NAFTA! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #186

My God, I thought you were paraphrasing/interpreting. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #187

College Costs Should Be Adjustable Based On Need colsohlibgal Jan 2016 #191

the Gilded class speaking amborin Feb 2016 #206