2016 Postmortem

vt_native

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2. Hillary, is that you?

Reply to hill2016 (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:16 PM

Jan 2016

If people understood the nominal tax increase would eliminate outrageous insurance premiums, which are often unattainable, people would flock to single payer. It takes time to overcome 70 years of propaganda against "socialized medicine".

Peter Shumlin ran as a progressive and governed as a third wayer, he is not well liked after he sold out on his primary campaign issue.

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The real reason why we don't have single payer is because nobody wants to pay for it [View all] hill2016 Jan 2016 OP

Wrong, its because big insurance and big pharma would lose money so they bought the removal of litlbilly Jan 2016 #1

fortunately hill2016 Jan 2016 #4

she's our champion! juxtaposed Jan 2016 #7

And you people call us Republican Right wingers? Bernie said it last night at the debate litlbilly Jan 2016 #11

Why doesn't Arkansas have Universal Health care then? Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #51

yep, they have clean water now Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #53

Flint is in a different state and it's a different issue. n/t whathehell Jan 2016 #77

take a guess hill2016 Jan 2016 #9

costs enid602 Jan 2016 #62

Drugs make up 10% of expenditures and save tons of money in hospitalization, doctor visits, Hoyt Jan 2016 #68

Hillary, is that you? vt_native Jan 2016 #2

And, funny thing: Shumlin has already endorsed, yup: Hillary Rodham Clinton. yea, I know, it is so Karma13612 Jan 2016 #6

Thank you for saying what needed to be said! Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2016 #23

Does Bernie's bill include LuvLoogie Jan 2016 #31

I know that HR 676 does, but that came out of the House under Kucinich Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2016 #41

There's money in the ACA to cover more through expanded LuvLoogie Jan 2016 #48

and Kentucky? Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #54

The money is there in the ACA for Kentucky as well. LuvLoogie Jan 2016 #67

Better to lose your job than your life. n/t TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #56

Should the people displaced by Bernie's bill get unemployment benefits, LuvLoogie Jan 2016 #66

First, I know Bernie's proposal is very similar to HR 676. Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2016 #74

Should people die because they can't afford health care? TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #78

How long should the displaced insurance workers LuvLoogie Jan 2016 #80

I'm sure we can transition. n/t TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #82

You are begging the question. LuvLoogie Jan 2016 #83

We pay MORE for LESS of it than any industrial nation. Wilms Jan 2016 #3

The very definition of 'exceptionalism', dontchaknow! eom Karma13612 Jan 2016 #8

The argument is so stupid it makes me sick... Human101948 Jan 2016 #79

cut it out juxtaposed Jan 2016 #5

Do people like paying thousands of dollars to private insurance companies The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #10

+1000 Punkingal Jan 2016 #12

yeah hill2016 Jan 2016 #17

Then where is all this money coming from? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #20

um... hill2016 Jan 2016 #21

It's too fucking much. And it doesn't include the stock options and bonuses The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #24

Keep this link and spread the word: Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2016 #28

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #29

according to your link hill2016 Jan 2016 #35

Still too fucking much. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #39

10 million is heaven sent salvation for 100 families. Half-Century Man Jan 2016 #63

Under single-payer ... Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2016 #27

most of your costs are actually hill2016 Jan 2016 #32

How is Medicare managing with a less than 2% overhead? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #40

well hill2016 Jan 2016 #42

You made my point for me. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #46

sure you can save on that hill2016 Jan 2016 #47

Which are still cheaper overall. Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2016 #73

nope dsc Jan 2016 #43

No, Medicare is 1.3% Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2016 #44

Now who is naive? Live and Learn Jan 2016 #30

He does not pay 18K a year yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #57

no. we already pay more for health care than single payer would cost. Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #13

The only one I have heard say they don't want to pay for it is you. Live and Learn Jan 2016 #14

answer my three questions please hill2016 Jan 2016 #18

Do they complain about social security? shawn703 Jan 2016 #19

I'm getting Social Security and Medicare and I am sure as hell not complaining. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #25

Why don't you post your sources first since your questions are suspect? Live and Learn Jan 2016 #26

You have listed three groups of people. Half-Century Man Jan 2016 #65

Yep...that's why were the only civilized nation without it. Just can't figure it out Can't be done libdem4life Jan 2016 #15

1/2 of the country has insurance through their employer, and many are afraid of change Orangepeel Jan 2016 #16

With single-payer insurance, employers wouldn't have to pay for The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #22

That money (at least most of it) will still go to pay for their heathcare Orangepeel Jan 2016 #49

Thank you Newt Gringrich Armstead Jan 2016 #33

Right, No more taxes. elleng Jan 2016 #34

I'm pointing out the reality of the country we live in hill2016 Jan 2016 #37

You're right, I agree with you, elleng Jan 2016 #50

So you oppose Obamacare, which involves expanded Medicaid, which low income people get for free? Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #71

It pains me to agree with you, but I do. MH1 Jan 2016 #36

Bernie's pragmatism means better health care for less money. immoderate Jan 2016 #59

Those morons are camped out in a State with expanded Medicaid, automatic voter registration, the Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #70

I'm Not Tech Savvy Enough To Post Links, But ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #38

Single Payer is Less Expensive than What We Have Now srobert Jan 2016 #45

wrong it is Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #52

Thank Gaia for my IL... n/t chervilant Jan 2016 #55

Why we don't have single payer? Because private insurance can charge $15K/ yr leveymg Jan 2016 #58

The reason we don't have War, … is because nobody wants to pay for it Agony Jan 2016 #60

I would gladly pay my share for it bigwillq Jan 2016 #61

to follow on your lead ... GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #64

And the reason we have wars is because some always see a way to pay for that, no matter how costly Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #69

Or a middle man wants to be paid for it and has mmonk Jan 2016 #72

You're right. The American people would rather continue to be ripped off by the insurance companies Skwmom Jan 2016 #75

The real reason why we don't have single payer is because guillaumeb Jan 2016 #76

Lol, I love this, all of a sudden the Democrats hate single payer! Nt Logical Jan 2016 #81

Brought to you by Hillary, Inc. Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #84

Baloney. OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #85

It would save average Americans money but the Insurance Companies own members of Congress. Skwmom Jan 2016 #86