Atheists & Agnostics

A HERETIC I AM

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6. Here's the absurdity of this sort of thing...

Fri May 4, 2012, 12:05 AM

May 2012

If god knows everything, has a plan and knows what will happen in the future (most Xtians will say yes to those contentions with a possible exemption for 'free will') then by that very definition, prayer is not and can not be effective.

Prayer suggests one can change the mind of god. That prayer is an effective method to alter gods plan - to sway his opinion.

How is it possible for this to happen?

Simple.

It can't.

If the answer to a given prayer is what the pray-er asks for, that is little more than proof it was part of the plan. If it isn't - ditto.

It is absurd to think prayer can do anything to change anything when the entity being prayed to is an all powerful, all knowing entity. God already knows the outcome.

Prayer is utter bollocks, by that definition.

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Metroplex Atheists Challenge The Power Of Prayer [View all] Ian David May 2012 OP

But if a prayer is "within his will"... eqfan592 May 2012 #1

I think that's the question that got me kicked out of Hebrew School. n/t Ian David May 2012 #2

WE were always told that God DOES answer every prayer OriginalGeek May 2012 #3

Haven't they already proven prayer is BAD for you? AlbertCat May 2012 #4

Not proven, just suggested. laconicsax May 2012 #5

Here's the absurdity of this sort of thing... A HERETIC I AM May 2012 #6

Right-on Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel May 2012 #10

If I were doing a prayer challenge, I'd set it up like this sakabatou May 2012 #7

I would add in Rainforestgoddess May 2012 #8

Yes, I'd add that. sakabatou May 2012 #9

Pray in one hand and $^&* in the other, yortsed snacilbuper May 2012 #11