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Fri Jul 17, 2020, 07:16 PM

4. It's interesting that nuclear scientists have emigrated to the United States, again.

It's rather disturbing that the Actinide science facility for Europe is located in Germany. at Karlsruhe.

A lot of very good papers have come out of there.

Germany is, of course, phasing out nuclear energy and becoming dependent on gas as is fashionable these days.

That's unfortunate for all future generations; and the destruction of German nuclear infrastructure will be hard to reverse.

I used to read a lot of Calphad papers out of there; although I'm not quite sure how accurate these calculate phase diagrams actually are, and how subject to experimental verification.

I just came across a great monograph out of India on the experimental determination of liquid actinide phase diagrams, so the centers of knowledge will move elsewhere.

American science is of course, much as was the case in 1930's in Germany, under attack by superbly ignorant politicians.

It actually took Hitler - who was much more of a magnetic, if malign, character than the orange carny barker in the White House and his enablers in Congress and in the Governor's mansions down your way - a fairly long time to totally destroy German science. Lise Meitner was actually able to work in Germany until 1938, and some German scientists actually survived in Germany until 1945.

(All of us in the Science forum hope for your health and safety, by the way, since you are in the region of official Covid denial.)

There is that famous story - possibly apocryphal - of David Hilbert's conversation with the German Minister of "Education" - Nazi Germany's Betsy DeVos - whereupon Rust asked how mathematics was thriving at Göttingen now that "Jewish influence" had been removed, to which Hilbert allegedly replied in effect, "there is no mathematics at Göttingen."

American science is on the ropes, but one hopes that because of our cultural traditions of democracy, there may yet be time to save it.

I never imagined Nazis running our government, but complacency was certainly ill advised. I do feel the American people rising, and am cautiously optimistic, but great damage has been done, as in so many other areas of our country, to American science.

May we avoid the fate of Germany.

By the way, some of the authors of this paper did train in Germany, if I recall correctly, at Karlsruhe.

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