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GDNordley

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39. That seems like a very conservative view
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 06:09 PM
Jun 2014

Greetings, mindwalker.

I seem to have stepped in it. I don't remember the conversation or the article and possibly miss spoke. There's no question in my mind that entanglement, at least in the sense of a persistent correlation of separated quantum pairs, actually happens; that's been pretty well observed. But there is controversy on whether one can actually transmit causal information "instantly" (in what frame of reference?) by "observing" distant entangled particles. Bell's inequality seems a solid enough predictor of statistical measurements, as far as I know, but there are interpretation issues (possible the subject of the article?) and a number of hoops to go through before using that to justify FTL or time-reversed communications. I would rather leave that discussion to experts in the field, like John Cramer. (I find John's "transactional" interpretation attractive from a number of respects, but I'm not sure I would call that "conservative"!)

What I AM very confident of is that FTL by any means is time travel (one only needs algebra to demonstrate that). The mathematical representation of that is the Lorentz transformation. GPS, deep space communications, and so on depend on it. The readings of "clocks" at distant locations are predicted by the transformation equations, and have proved very accurate over a very wide range of relative velocities with a wide range of relative velocities, observations and measurement techniques. This is called "Lorentz invariance" and is a hard-won empirical law of nature, not a theoretical construct. (Einstein showed one could derive the equations from the observation that the speed of light is the same when measured in any frame of reference, but the empirical equations already existed; hence it isn't called the Einstein transformation.) Lorentz invariance is logically inconsistent with an absolute time reference; i.e., the same event would have to have different time coordinates.

--Best, Gerald

Same as it ever was: MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #1
Actually, it was quantum field theory. longship Feb 2013 #2
I thought it was quantum electro-dynamics. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #17
QED is a Quantum Field Theory. longship Feb 2013 #18
I favor the "Many Worlds" interpretation of Quantum Mechanics myself. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #3
So does Murray Gell-Mann, Lionel Mandrake Feb 2013 #19
Check out the Zero Worlds theory: napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #28
Thanks, I'll check it out. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #30
Fuck the Copenhagen Interpretation mindwalker_i Feb 2013 #4
to be fair to Einstein Great Cthulhu Feb 2013 #6
From the article I linked mindwalker_i Feb 2013 #7
Delayed choice tama Feb 2013 #9
Agreed. The wave-function isn't the system itself. DetlefK Feb 2013 #10
You are mistaken. Lionel Mandrake Feb 2013 #20
That's what a lot of people think mindwalker_i Feb 2013 #21
Okay, let me rephrase that. Lionel Mandrake Feb 2013 #22
Ok, that's better :) mindwalker_i Feb 2013 #23
"Einstein didn't buy quantum mechanics, and he was wrong." Lionel Mandrake Feb 2013 #24
That seems like a very conservative view mindwalker_i Feb 2013 #25
That seems like a very conservative view GDNordley Jun 2014 #39
Sir! Welcome to DU mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #40
There's some remarkable stuff sleeping behind the "no information sent faster than light" business. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #29
Now that's interesting mindwalker_i Feb 2013 #31
Go for it! And post on DU. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #32
Dr. Cramer addressed the no-information theorems mindwalker_i Feb 2013 #33
Are you talking about John G Cramer? napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #34
Yup, that's him mindwalker_i Feb 2013 #35
UW is doing some amazing work. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #36
Thanks for the link! mindwalker_i Feb 2013 #38
Saying that science is "embarrassed" by not having a consensus on QM stopbush Feb 2013 #5
Exactly TM99 Feb 2013 #8
Hard for me to believe a scientist would display such a misunderstanding of science. phantom power Feb 2013 #11
and another thing phantom power Feb 2013 #12
Message auto-removed Great Cthulhu Feb 2013 #13
I feel totally sure it can all be properly modeled as a quantum graph automata phantom power Feb 2013 #14
That is a damn good point. Cosmologists with their constants that they have to dimbear Feb 2013 #15
I have really enjoyed reading everyone's comments to OP - All were very interesting. (but that's Bill USA Feb 2013 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Jun 2014 #41
Let's face it, technical people are uncomfortable with uncertainty. eom. leveymg Feb 2013 #26
Can you imagine a teapartier reading this thread? pangaia Feb 2013 #27
Yeah, yeah. Another fluffy interview with an important scientist... DreamGypsy Feb 2013 #37
Great post! Duppers Jun 2014 #42
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