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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
11. They're wrong.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:51 AM
Oct 2012
However, amidst the headlines, some media coverage overlooked the key point: the energy efficiency of the process has yet to be demonstrated. This matters because the technique uses electricity for key stages. It should not require more energy input than is gleaned from burning the fuel it produces.

This is wrong.

First, we know the resulting fuel will have less energy than it took to make the fuel. Thermodynamics still works.

Second, it doesn't matter.

The point of this process is energy storage, not energy production. Battery technology has been creeping along for 50 years. With that track record, we're not likely to get a great leap ahead any time soon. And we need a leap for practical electric vehicles - current models work for some people, but a lot of people can't really use them due to range or "refueling" constraints.

Enter "make gasoline from air". That gas lets you capture energy from a fixed location and use it in a mobile platform. Effectively, you can make a "nuclear-powered car" - or wind, or solar, or any other power source. (And it won't be as horrifically bad an idea as the "nuclear-powered car" from the 1950s)

I really don't understand all the people demanding that this process somehow generate energy. We know how to generate energy cleanly, efficiently and cheaply. What we don't know is a practical way to store that energy in a way we can use in vehicles.
could coal plants use this process?? Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #1
There wouldn't be much point ... VMA131Marine Oct 2012 #3
What I meant to capture the Co2 that coal plants spew out Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #4
Co2 is fungible ToxMarz Oct 2012 #5
You could. Some algae-to-biodiesel proposals suggest coal plants as a CO2 source NickB79 Oct 2012 #14
That would be as silly as diluting gasoline with alcohol. sofa king Oct 2012 #16
Suck the hydrocarbons out of the air. liberal N proud Oct 2012 #2
Nope caraher Oct 2012 #8
That's one thing they did point out, that it's not economically feasible Warpy Oct 2012 #6
Problems krispos42 Oct 2012 #9
Don't need tanker trucks jeff47 Oct 2012 #12
Yeah,but they have to be close by the plants... krispos42 Oct 2012 #15
One can extend the pipelines as needed jeff47 Oct 2012 #17
My concept is that each plant starts out small... krispos42 Nov 2012 #21
Hydrogen is a problem jeff47 Oct 2012 #13
No question mark caraher Oct 2012 #7
The author should have said something else Confusious Oct 2012 #10
They're wrong. jeff47 Oct 2012 #11
But here is the rub NoOneMan Nov 2012 #23
So since it won't pay of instantly, we should just keep burning stuff like always? jeff47 Nov 2012 #24
Keep burning stuff like always opposed to burning more stuff like always? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #25
Alternatively (and probably more efficiently) Bosonic Nov 2012 #18
Interesting idea... caraher Nov 2012 #19
Don't know the energy requirements of the air technique either Bosonic Nov 2012 #20
More of an E&E post ... eppur_se_muova Nov 2012 #22
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