Hard for me to marry the two subjects. (Reply #16)

In the discussion thread: Why not deal seriously with those of us who see science and religion as equal? [View all]

Sun Jun 9, 2013, 07:34 PM

janlyn (735 posts)

16. Hard for me to marry the two subjects.

However, the belief in life after death fascinates me. I am not talking about the standard belief in a heaven so much, as the belief that something of us lives on where we cannot percieve.
I remember the first time I read about string theory that I thought that science might in the end provide proof of life after death.

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Why not deal seriously with those of us who see science and religion as equal? [View all]	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	OP
I have never had a problem with separating both. In fact I think the catholic church	southernyankeebelle	Jun 2013	#1
That really doesn't answer the question.	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#5
For me they are equal. But honestly I think people go bonkers over this issue. But you	southernyankeebelle	Jun 2013	#8
If one produces knowledge that is true for all and the other doesn't, how can they be equal?	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#10
Your getting way to heavy for me. You tell me what you think.	southernyankeebelle	Jun 2013	#12
I already did in the OP.	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#15
Well you take care. Maybe the big thinkers can get more into then I. I'm not an expert in	southernyankeebelle	Jun 2013	#20
religion and science are not equals	DonCoquixote	Jun 2013	#78
to explain	DonCoquixote	Jun 2013	#79
So should we take seriously those who claim they are equal?	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#90
no	DonCoquixote	Jun 2013	#95
One popular answer is	skepticscott	Jun 2013	#2
And yet religion cannot even answer the "why" at all.	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#9
They have nothing to do with each other and should never be compared, contrasted or equated.	truebluegreen	Jun 2013	#3
Great answer.	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#6
Unfortunately that is not true.	Warren Stupidity	Jun 2013	#24
I get that it happens,	truebluegreen	Jun 2013	#42
I don't think "equal" is a relevant metric here.	TygrBright	Jun 2013	#4
I would agree. So should we take seriously those who assert their equality?	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#7
I imagine if they are serious, and you want to engage them fruitfully and respectfully...	TygrBright	Jun 2013	#11
If their entire premise is false yet they assert the opposite, how can try be taken seriously?	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#14
Perhaps we could class religion with patriotism?	muriel_volestrangler	Jun 2013	#17
agree...	madrchsod	Jun 2013	#13
Hard for me to marry the two subjects.	janlyn	Jun 2013	#16
I believe in both very much!	hrmjustin	Jun 2013	#18
And?	skepticscott	Jun 2013	#19
Just a statement my friend!	hrmjustin	Jun 2013	#23
Are they equal?	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#31
Interesting question to with I do not know exactly how to respond. Science tells us how things work	hrmjustin	Jun 2013	#48
With respect, you are dodging the question with nonsense.	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#53
For me yes. In the end yes.	hrmjustin	Jun 2013	#54
Then as the original question posed, why should you be taken seriously?	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#55
People can take me how they want. I don't claim to be an expert on anything.	hrmjustin	Jun 2013	#57
Nope	WovenGems	Jun 2013	#21
Which is liquid and which is static?	LTX	Jun 2013	#32
Defined	WovenGems	Jun 2013	#33
Oh. Ok.	LTX	Jun 2013	#34
Truth	WovenGems	Jun 2013	#35
I think your reference points may be a bit too narrow.	LTX	Jun 2013	#37
Oxford Group	WovenGems	Jun 2013	#39
Now I know that your reference points are too narrow. n/t	LTX	Jun 2013	#40
And how does one expand the reference points?	WovenGems	Jun 2013	#41
Well, a start would be questioning your own	LTX	Jun 2013	#43
Religion hasn't changed for hundreds of years??	Thats my opinion	Jun 2013	#69
I think you responded to the wrong post. n/t	LTX	Jun 2013	#70
So tell us then, what IS religion all about?	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#74
Religion has indeed changed.	trotsky	Jun 2013	#45
They're different things entirely.	rug	Jun 2013	#22
He didn't ask whether they were the same thing...	Act_of_Reparation	Jun 2013	#25
I didn't expect any straightforward answers to this.	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#51
It's an appropriate answer to a poor question.	rug	Jun 2013	#59
He asked if they were equal. Period.	rug	Jun 2013	#58
This message was self-deleted by its author	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#61
Of course you didn't.	rug	Jun 2013	#63
This message was self-deleted by its author	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#64
That's exactly what you wrote.	rug	Jun 2013	#66
This message was self-deleted by its author	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#71
He also wrote half a dozen other sentences...	Act_of_Reparation	Jun 2013	#65
I did read the entire OP.	rug	Jun 2013	#67
Then you didn't read it very carefully	Act_of_Reparation	Jun 2013	#75
Apparently I read it more clearly than you.	rug	Jun 2013	#76
He does not have an answer. He never does. Its always the same, day after day, post after post.	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#81
Some are simply unable to accept that they may be wrong. This is an example.	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#72
Lol.	rug	Jun 2013	#77
See what I mean? More nonsensical bullshit. Always the same.	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#60
Outside of mathematics, is anything really equal?	ZombieHorde	Jun 2013	#26
They really have completely different functions.	Deep13	Jun 2013	#27
They might be equivalent forces in some lives	Warpy	Jun 2013	#28
Why not? Because that would be silly.	bowens43	Jun 2013	#29
They ARE equal but their individual strengths are not	Prophet 451	Jun 2013	#30
I would strongly disagree with this:	trotsky	Jun 2013	#36
"Religion/philosophy tells us" - religion "tells", philosophy "discusses".	Warren Stupidity	Jun 2013	#38
Good distinction.	trotsky	Jun 2013	#44
Philosophy does not research	Bad Thoughts	Jun 2013	#46
talk to the theory of consciousness people about their lack of field research. nt.	Warren Stupidity	Jun 2013	#47
i think that definition of 'philosophy' is both overly restrictive..	Phillip McCleod	Jun 2013	#50
I don't suppose you have done any research into what philophsers actually do.	Thats my opinion	Jun 2013	#68
That is YOUR question up there, TMO. Why won't you respond to it?	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#73
I guess the tough questions frighten you. And I can understand why.	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#89
Phelps actually doesn't do that	Prophet 451	Jun 2013	#82
You judge him,and he judges you.	trotsky	Jun 2013	#83
Morality is all about value judgements	Prophet 451	Jun 2013	#84
How can you possibly know whether or not Phelps ALSO thinks his faith is based on	trotsky	Jun 2013	#85
No, but I can listen to his sermons	Prophet 451	Jun 2013	#86
Again, how do you know?	trotsky	Jun 2013	#87
In order...	Prophet 451	Jun 2013	#91
As long as you think you can read Phelps' mind...	trotsky	Jun 2013	#92
sigh I give up	Prophet 451	Jun 2013	#93
Yeah, I know.	trotsky	Jun 2013	#94
Umm...	gcomeau	Jun 2013	#88
I've thought for some time now that	moobu2	Jun 2013	#49
I think you nailed it.	cleanhippie	Jun 2013	#52
^^^^^	mike_c	Jun 2013	#56
Like the rough sketch that led to an important painting, worth the attention	dimbear	Jun 2013	#62
Science is the application of physical processes to determine physical outcomes. Religion is the	ladjf	Jun 2013	#80

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