If you don't believe in original sin, then you don't need substitutionary atonement. (Reply #56)

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Thu Apr 25, 2013, 07:11 PM

Manifestor_of_Light (20,999 posts)

56. If you don't believe in original sin, then you don't need substitutionary atonement.

That's pretty simple.

I've had xtians tell me they don't have creeds either, which is not true.

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60 replies	Author	Time	Post
How can they torture me in hell? [View all]	Manifestor_of_Light	Apr 2013	OP
They give you a Body.	BlueJazz	Apr 2013	#1
Really?? Even if you're not Gregor Samsa??	DreamGypsy	Apr 2013	#6
i love me some crumb.	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#16
I Married R. Crumb...	DreamGypsy	Apr 2013	#18
awesome. \n	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#22
It's a lot like the army. You're issued one. n/t	dimbear	Apr 2013	#2
Many Christians( I am not one of them) believe you get your body back so you can be	hrmjustin	Apr 2013	#3
a physical body?	Warren Stupidity	Apr 2013	#4
Yes they do. Many believe that when all the stuff in revelation is done all humans have their bodies	hrmjustin	Apr 2013	#5
my path to non-belief started in hell.	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#24
I just never really like the idea of the place.	hrmjustin	Apr 2013	#25
logical.	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#27
Humanity needs a few more centuries to evolve.	hrmjustin	Apr 2013	#28
Several millennium if we survive that long.	gordianot	Apr 2013	#32
It's part of the Apostle's Creed.	LiberalAndProud	Apr 2013	#7
so these physical bodies have to be physically somewhere	Warren Stupidity	Apr 2013	#8
We never said it was logical but a matter of faith.	hrmjustin	Apr 2013	#9
I hope that there is, too.	Gore1FL	Apr 2013	#10
I think the resurrected bodies will be	No Vested Interest	Apr 2013	#17
That is a good way of putting it. I still have a hard time believing in hell.	hrmjustin	Apr 2013	#19
That's all right.	No Vested Interest	Apr 2013	#21
Didn't Christ still have his injuries after his resurrection?	Mariana	Apr 2013	#23
It's true that Christ revealed his wounds to Thomas,	No Vested Interest	Apr 2013	#42
ah.. but you said that you didn't believe in hell because it wasn't 'logical'..	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#29
Yeah you did get me on that one.	hrmjustin	Apr 2013	#30
i think i know what you mean.	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#35
It goes in waves for me.	hrmjustin	Apr 2013	#36
i don't believe my faiths were ever strong.	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#38
That is why I always thought God takes us as we are.	hrmjustin	Apr 2013	#39
what if hell makes sense?	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#40
That we live in a screwed up world.	hrmjustin	Apr 2013	#41
you have a gift for understatement, my friend. \n	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#45
Ah of course, off into ineffability.	Warren Stupidity	Apr 2013	#47
I will be honest sometimes the thought does occur but I do believe in it.	hrmjustin	Apr 2013	#49
thank you this was my 1st thought..	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#20
With or without	Blue4Texas	Apr 2013	#54
I googled how many christians have ever lived and found estimate of 7.7 billion	XRubicon	Apr 2013	#11
I don't believe in hell.	hrmjustin	Apr 2013	#12
I don't either, I was just pointing out how ridiculous the concept of hell is.	XRubicon	Apr 2013	#13
I hope there is a heaven. I want to see people that I miss.	hrmjustin	Apr 2013	#14
I hope it is there for you too. nt	XRubicon	Apr 2013	#15
Hell could be you have to listen to Rush, Hannity, and Beck every moment of forever.	hrmjustin	Apr 2013	#26
'hell is other people'	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#31
Sartre	ropi	Apr 2013	#34
ding ding ding!! we have a winner!	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#37
Your flesh regenerates	xfundy	Apr 2013	#33
As long as people here insist on having fun ridiculing	Thats my opinion	Apr 2013	#43
Would you mind defining "modern progressive Christians"?	Manifestor_of_Light	Apr 2013	#44
What is difficult for you seems to be accepting that	Thats my opinion	Apr 2013	#55
If you don't believe in original sin, then you don't need substitutionary atonement.	Manifestor_of_Light	Apr 2013	#56
Original sin was thought up in the 3rd century	Thats my opinion	Apr 2013	#58
Every church I went to used the Apostles' Creed.	Manifestor_of_Light	Apr 2013	#60
There are many Christians right here on DU who believe that people will be tortured in hell.	trotsky	Apr 2013	#48
Silly rabbit, don't you know facts and logic = anti-Christian bigotry?	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2013	#52
New! Improved! Less Ridiculous Woo!	Warren Stupidity	Apr 2013	#50
Too funny!!!	Manifestor_of_Light	Apr 2013	#57
Mind telling us who the "they" is? nt	Thats my opinion	Apr 2013	#59
Serious question here. Conjoined twins. One evil. One good. What happens? n/t	dimbear	Apr 2013	#46
My "hell" will be made of lizards	darkangel218	Apr 2013	#51
I think something slightly different but along similar lines	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2013	#53

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