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In reply to the discussion: What is the source of morality? [View all]

LTX

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24. Nice just-so story.
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 10:37 AM
Apr 2013

But you need to define your "group." Family, tribe, city-state, fiefdom, country? What "groups" instantiate your hypothesis?

What is the source of morality? [View all] fredzachmane Apr 2013 OP
Subjective or relative =/= non-existent. gcomeau Apr 2013 #1
I disagree fredzachmane Apr 2013 #4
It's not a matter of opinion. gcomeau Apr 2013 #18
Im not saying that at all fredzachmane Apr 2013 #54
Let's back up... gcomeau Apr 2013 #58
Who is the keeper of this "supreme standard"? trotsky Apr 2013 #19
They don't like this line of questioning much. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #22
Oh they despise it. trotsky Apr 2013 #26
Thats what I am asking fredzachmane Apr 2013 #55
You're the only one I see here... gcomeau Apr 2013 #67
We spend time arguing because choices have consequences. trotsky Apr 2013 #71
Doesn't morality originate in the judgment of an individual that something is moral or immoral? GodlessBiker Apr 2013 #78
Society. Downwinder Apr 2013 #2
The German society decided Jews were inferior fredzachmane Apr 2013 #3
And US society allows Banksters to do as they please. Downwinder Apr 2013 #5
If morals are a human construct fredzachmane Apr 2013 #9
I don't say we are more moral. Downwinder Apr 2013 #15
We don't have any "right" to. gcomeau Apr 2013 #27
And how did they decide? trotsky Apr 2013 #32
So if it originates from an obscured divinity as Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #6
I'm asking the question because I want to know fredzachmane Apr 2013 #10
No sir, you made an assertion that I find highly contentious. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #12
Evolutionary group selection. Jim__ Apr 2013 #7
but often morality has nothing to do with survival fredzachmane Apr 2013 #11
That's because some people's idea of morality can indeed be subjective muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #13
Often morality has nothing to do with survival? I'm talking about group survival ... Jim__ Apr 2013 #16
Nice just-so story. LTX Apr 2013 #24
Since we are all members of nested groups, the morality of all the groups is important. Jim__ Apr 2013 #30
you are thinking of ethics.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #44
Actually I was thinking of morality, which is the word I used and which is the word used in the OP. Jim__ Apr 2013 #46
ah so.. which meaning are we discussing? Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #47
Here, excerpted from the previous quote. Jim__ Apr 2013 #48
fair enough.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #61
You seem to not understand evolution Lordquinton Apr 2013 #37
Webster defines natural selection as fredzachmane Apr 2013 #49
Yes, and merriam-webster defines "natural selection" as applying to individuals or groups. Jim__ Apr 2013 #73
true true true.. natural selection is individual or group.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #75
Um, bees. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #81
I think a lot of what we call morality is the human tendency to learn, spread and create norms. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #80
I agree - evolution, which leads to what I'd call psychological morality. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #79
The answer depends on what you think of Natural Law theories. rug Apr 2013 #8
Evolution! longship Apr 2013 #14
I'm not following. LTX Apr 2013 #25
It doesn't have to gain anything for the individual. longship Apr 2013 #41
Both your answer and Jim's (post # 30) are reasonable approaches, LTX Apr 2013 #42
Well, I have ideas about consciousness as well. longship Apr 2013 #43
Clearly it's your god, right? trotsky Apr 2013 #17
"If morality originates in myself or is subject to what I, as an individual, edhopper Apr 2013 #20
well kant covered this ground ages ago.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #21
The concept of morality rrneck Apr 2013 #23
I think morality is rhetorical device used to promote predictable bahavior. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #28
Then when I say a fundie is wrong to hate homosexuals fredzachmane Apr 2013 #53
when we make a moral decision that lies in a social or ethical gray area.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #62
You are expressing your emotional reaction to stimuli, ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #63
Do have you doubts about whether or not it is wrong to gouge out little kittens' eyes for fun? struggle4progress Apr 2013 #29
I do think its wrong fredzachmane Apr 2013 #52
Do you regard emotional empathy for other conscious beings as "merely subjective"? struggle4progress Apr 2013 #65
I don't think that our empathy is subjective. fredzachmane Apr 2013 #74
I am slow! Your saying that if morality starts from within it does not really exist? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #31
They can never explain... gcomeau Apr 2013 #33
I just don't get this at all. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #34
I wish you luck in getting it spelled out. gcomeau Apr 2013 #36
I'll spell it out for you. trotsky Apr 2013 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Apr 2013 #40
otoh it start an interesting conversation.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #45
You haven't added anything to this conversation fredzachmane Apr 2013 #59
If that isn't your position, then why aren't you clarifying? trotsky Apr 2013 #70
Sorry..I work nights and was sleeping all day fredzachmane Apr 2013 #56
You don't have to explain yourself to me. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #57
I prefer the term "imaginary," over "non existent." ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #39
It seems to me that if morality originates with each fredzachmane Apr 2013 #50
But that wouldn't stop us from collaborating, forming a consensus, coming to a commonly accepted set eomer Apr 2013 #69
Moralities are preferences... MellowDem Apr 2013 #35
If morality is preference fredzachmane Apr 2013 #51
By your own preferences... MellowDem Apr 2013 #66
Margaret Mead found that all societies have murray hill farm Apr 2013 #60
Morality comes from society. Apophis Apr 2013 #64
Human Beings XRubicon Apr 2013 #68
In ethics there are two main sources of morality. Thats my opinion Apr 2013 #72
It seems to me that morality okasha Apr 2013 #82
There's a third school, Virtue Ethics, that's popular among ethics academics. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #83
Ethics growing out of personal character traits is an interesting addition to the other two. Thats my opinion Apr 2013 #85
Always plenty of wiggle room in any society... murray hill farm Apr 2013 #86
humans, the standard for what specifically? wrong. Deep13 Apr 2013 #76
The moors n/t. Soundman Apr 2013 #77
Wrong! The Moops. Iggo Apr 2013 #84
Here is a link to the full text of "Principia Ethica." Jim__ Apr 2013 #87
All the scientific evidence points to a natural evolutionary cause. moobu2 Apr 2013 #88
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