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Whenever I hear JoDog Feb 2013 #1
I concur Meshuga Feb 2013 #2
I'm afraid that when I hear the phrase 'Judeo-Christian values' these days.. LeftishBrit Feb 2013 #3
That's the problem. Do you think there is a better term? cbayer Feb 2013 #4
I think casting ethics in religious terms is in itself conservative and rightwing. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #5
How is it conservative and rightwing to cast ethics in religious terms? cbayer Feb 2013 #6
well there was this thing called the enlightenment Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #9
That's nice but does that necessarily mean that there should be no ethic associated with cbayer Feb 2013 #10
No, there are ethics associated with religion, the phrase "judeo-christian values" Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #11
Family values was a phrase invented by the religious right, as far as I know. cbayer Feb 2013 #12
Again, it is essentially anti-secular. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #13
I don't see it as anti-secular and support those religious groups that wish to reclaim it. cbayer Feb 2013 #14
You don't see "Judeo-Christian values" as anti-secular? Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #22
Chill. okasha Feb 2013 #24
yeah actually this is pretty much a dichotomy. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #25
What is a secular value? Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #38
Traditional christian values include burning witches. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #42
to take the worse of any group's pracrtice Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author skepticscott Feb 2013 #47
You cherry picked the pleasant ethical values. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #48
So much for intelligent ratrional conversatrion. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #55
Your "rartional" question was answered. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #56
intelligent ratrional conversatrion was forgone when "god" was introduced. cleanhippie Mar 2013 #59
And traditional secular values okasha Feb 2013 #49
Rational people also admit when they make mistakes, if they are ethical. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #50
Absolutely correct. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #51
So far, the number of purely secular governments/societies okasha Feb 2013 #52
Oddly enough by law and constitution our government is both secular and democratic. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #57
All the values you list are secular values. trotsky Mar 2013 #58
Whoa! Back off a little there. cbayer Feb 2013 #28
Religious values are by definition not secular values. NT Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #30
On that we agree. That doesn't make either "anti" the other, just different. cbayer Feb 2013 #31
no. they are definitionally opposite. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #32
Dalai lama has been talking a lot about secular ethics lately. cbayer Feb 2013 #33
Yes, exactly, and he disagrees with Rosensaft, puts it exactly the way I would want to. eomer Feb 2013 #35
I agree and like the Dalai Lama's approach to this. cbayer Feb 2013 #36
Dalai Lama's religious opinion on homosexuality: trotsky Feb 2013 #40
Taking a look at content, ideals and actions, Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #45
The problem is with the meaning, not with the word itself LeftishBrit Feb 2013 #7
That's basically what the article says. So, does phrase need to be reclaimed or does cbayer Feb 2013 #8
Reclaimed by whom? Meshuga Feb 2013 #15
By liberal/progressive Jewish and Christian people and institutions. cbayer Feb 2013 #16
I don't see use for it Meshuga Feb 2013 #21
I don't think he is necessarily arguing for any conflation of Jewish and christian belief systems. cbayer Feb 2013 #29
Not just the phrase; the idea is an expression of exclusion and even bigotry. eomer Feb 2013 #17
I agree that it has been misused for sometimes, that's why I think maybe a different term is needed. cbayer Feb 2013 #18
Yes, he feels it is a slap in his face and should be fixed to only slap the non-religious. eomer Feb 2013 #20
I still don't see how this is a slap in the face of the non-religious. cbayer Feb 2013 #26
He promotes the idea of a broad religious foundation, contrasted with the Godless "Communist world". eomer Feb 2013 #34
Interesting analysis and really changed my perspective on this. cbayer Feb 2013 #37
What would be a better use for the phrase in your opinion Meshuga Feb 2013 #23
It's not a phrase I would use or identify with, but I think the author makes a decent case. cbayer Feb 2013 #27
I think, fundamentalist Protestant skepticscott Feb 2013 #19
I always thought the "Judeo-" part refers to the Old Testament. CJCRANE Feb 2013 #39
I always felt it was shorthand for saying that since Jesus was a jew, christianity sprung from cbayer Feb 2013 #41
wiki indicates that modern usage Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #43
Right, I had read that as well and thought it was an attempt cbayer Feb 2013 #44
But my hunch is that today's christian fundies CJCRANE Feb 2013 #53
Good point and I hadn't thought of it that way. cbayer Feb 2013 #54
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