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"Insular groups of men do bad things" SharonAnn Feb 2013 #1
The notion of papal infallibility. riqster Feb 2013 #2
Gary Wills' very readable book "Papal Sin" is about this Doctrine of Infallibilty SharonAnn Feb 2013 #6
Papal infallibility wasn't even an officially stated doctrine till the late 1800's. Squinch Feb 2013 #76
Regarding your comment, rug Feb 2013 #3
Proves that "Insular groups of men" don't confront their wrongs. Outsiders, however, do. SharonAnn Feb 2013 #7
Most institutional elites are composed of insular groups of men. rug Feb 2013 #11
Does that somehow diminish the fact that in THIS case, her point is valid? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #16
It clarifies that this is not unique. rug Feb 2013 #21
Was that ever in question? Did she make that claim? Nope. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #28
Certainly it's a valid point, clarified. rug Feb 2013 #29
Well I guess she should be thankful for that tangent clarification. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #35
In fact, the statement itself underscores its validity. rug Feb 2013 #38
What a wonder it must be to live in a world where you get to make it up as you go along. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #43
Don't forget to send me a postcard. rug Feb 2013 #66
I have read that article and found it a lot of bunk when I read it and still do Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #10
You think acknowledging the role of the media is "a lot of bunk"? rug Feb 2013 #12
No Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #13
I must have missed that quote. rug Feb 2013 #22
Priests abused children for a hundred years and the church covered up the crimes Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #25
I find your selective facts to be self-serving. rug Feb 2013 #27
Please explain what selective facts are self-serving Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #31
What was idiotic about your comment is that it had just released a statement thanking the press. rug Feb 2013 #40
So you are saying that the Church had no idea that they were engaging in criminal activities?? Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #44
Again, the inferences you make are a wonder to behold. rug Feb 2013 #47
My inferences may be miracles Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #64
That's better. A few more exchanges and I think you'll get it. rug Feb 2013 #67
Snark Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #69
When he says "thanks for doing that", I think he means... cleanhippie Feb 2013 #14
I know. It's terrible when a convenient narrative is interrupted. rug Feb 2013 #24
His sentiment of thanks to the media would seem more genuine if the church followed with cleanhippie Feb 2013 #30
Do you think that God can "be very impressed"? rug Feb 2013 #41
Going by the Catholic idea of what god is, I would say yes. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #45
Once again, you display an ignorance of what you're attacking. rug Feb 2013 #46
You are entitled to your opinion, regardless of how wrong it may be. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #49
As are you. But you are not entitled to your own facts. rug Feb 2013 #52
I hope you remember your own advice. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #53
Always. You should stick to posting facts. rug Feb 2013 #54
I hope you remember your own advice. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #55
Always. You should too. rug Feb 2013 #56
I hope you remember your own advice. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #57
54 rug Feb 2013 #58
There are facts about "god"? Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #62
Pay attention. He made a factual statement. rug Feb 2013 #68
So you agree that there are no facts about god? Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #70
I agree that various religions have made statements about God. rug Feb 2013 #73
Errr - Wasn't Jesus an anthropomorphism of God? intaglio Feb 2013 #48
Shhhhh, why get in the way of a perfectly good irrational response? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #50
Somebody should get you a dictionary for Christmas. rug Feb 2013 #75
Somebody should get you a clue. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #84
If I do, it won't be from you. rug Feb 2013 #85
Wouldn't expect you to. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #86
As to your two questions, rug Feb 2013 #87
Thats it? Thats all you have? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #88
No, I have lots more, but you know the saying. rug Feb 2013 #89
Bwahahahahaha! A Bible verse! He threw a bible verse at me! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #90
Yes, I think of you when I read it. rug Feb 2013 #91
Thats weird. Thanks, I guess? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #92
Errr - no. rug Feb 2013 #51
Err yes. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #63
Err - no. rug Feb 2013 #65
Whereas yours are merely confusing because of lack of clarity about terms used intaglio Feb 2013 #98
The difference is quite simple. rug Feb 2013 #99
In incarnation a god comes down and becomes flesh intaglio Feb 2013 #104
You left out the capital. rug Feb 2013 #105
Many deities become incarnate intaglio Feb 2013 #107
So it's said. But that would still not be anthropormorhism. rug Feb 2013 #109
Stop denying what is inconvenient to you intaglio Feb 2013 #112
Stop denying the dictionary rug Feb 2013 #113
As Webster gives the roots in the form I do intaglio Feb 2013 #114
Oh, the capitalization of proper nouns is rooted in religion? rug Feb 2013 #115
I did not use incarnation as a proper noun intaglio Feb 2013 #118
While we're on the subject you should study the difference between a sect and a religion. rug Feb 2013 #119
A sect is loosely a group of people with different religious beliefs and practises from others intaglio Feb 2013 #120
Now you history is off too. rug Feb 2013 #121
Please study history not fantasies from Catholic perspective intaglio Feb 2013 #123
What fantastic perspective are you coming from? rug Feb 2013 #124
Study history not personal Catholic fantasies intaglio Feb 2013 #125
So far you have not show one through five. rug Feb 2013 #126
One at a time intaglio Feb 2013 #127
I don't understand the significance of this guy's statement. Squinch Feb 2013 #77
It contradicts the OP's comment. rug Feb 2013 #78
Do you think the statement has any intrinsic significance, or are you citing it to refute the OP? Squinch Feb 2013 #79
There is value in this acknowledgement but mainly it corrects the OP. rug Feb 2013 #80
It was said this past week. It seems clearly a token from an organization that has been knowingly Squinch Feb 2013 #81
A token? rug Feb 2013 #82
What do you think the impact will be? Squinch Feb 2013 #93
The impact is already being felt. rug Feb 2013 #94
The US Catholic Conference of Bishops instituted a clear policy on reporting ten years ago, Squinch Feb 2013 #95
Abuse, coverup, and nonreporting are three different things. rug Feb 2013 #101
Last week, in fact, Squinch Feb 2013 #106
That's a close one but it's part of the ongoing discovery process in existing litigation. rug Feb 2013 #108
Yes. But if I found that you'd make up another new rule in order to make it acceptable to you. Squinch Feb 2013 #110
This is a massively deep and complex issue. cbayer Feb 2013 #4
Yes, the son of a friend of mine was counseled by a serving priest that SharonAnn Feb 2013 #8
I think it's very important not to conflate pedophilia with homosexuality. cbayer Feb 2013 #59
If you have knowledge that a child has been sexually abused skepticscott Feb 2013 #83
south park covered this extensively. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #5
Watch the HBO Documentary: Mea Maxima Culpa. It really explains "WHY"... Moonwalk Feb 2013 #9
EXACTLY! The church NEEDS it's clergy to be seen as above the rest of us, and immune from cleanhippie Feb 2013 #18
No it doesn't. This is all about institutional bunker mentality, not theology. rug Feb 2013 #26
And that bunker is buttressed by theology. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #34
You once again have it ass backwards. rug Feb 2013 #39
Your opinion is highly valued. Thanks. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #42
Sorry, can'y say the same. rug Feb 2013 #74
the church is all about the money 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #15
The power is more important to them than the money Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #17
Money IS power, no? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #19
Yes it is Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #23
I've not seen lasting power without the wealth. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #33
I would think it would depend if that power was used for good or evil Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #36
agree n/t 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #20
Appropriate toon: mr blur Feb 2013 #32
I like it Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #37
The power structure is the problem Freddie Feb 2013 #60
Agree. Local congregations tend to have a lot more control over those within their church. cbayer Feb 2013 #61
And that is the way it should be Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #72
It's not as if something has recently gone wrong. Those who know their history know dimbear Feb 2013 #71
they have always been a corrupt organization Marrah_G Feb 2013 #96
Xianity took over the political-religious offices of Rome Bad Thoughts Feb 2013 #97
I agree with you Dorian Gray Feb 2013 #100
how many centuries should we look through to find the answer? madrchsod Feb 2013 #102
The Catholic Church has a history of corruption dating back well over 1000 years. Bradical79 Feb 2013 #103
these last two posts have it exactly right. Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #111
There are child rape apologists in this forum? Where? cbayer Feb 2013 #117
Well... gcomeau Feb 2013 #116
Two thousand years of the Iron Law of Oligarchy at work... backscatter712 Feb 2013 #122
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