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skepticscott

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45. Ah, so the Vikings had no ethics, no morals, no laws
Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:13 AM
Jan 2013

no sense of justice and no sense of right and wrong, before they ran into the Xstians?

Riiiiiiiiight.

I know you have this desperate need to give Christianity credit for every bit of good and every scrap of morality you can, Charles, but try to be a little less obviously wrong when you do it.

Want to end religion? [View all] Flabbergasted Jan 2013 OP
There are few countries that have come close to ending religion without those criteria. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #1
I did a quick look on wok Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #12
I'm drinking, but I will try to be clear. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #20
Good point. I consider religion to be a broad path and spirituality Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #22
So then Higher-Power beliefs may be spirituality rather than religion. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #23
Yes. Nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #25
True, the Norwegians and the other Scandinavian cultures have largely abandoned the church and Thats my opinion Jan 2013 #36
Ah, so the Vikings had no ethics, no morals, no laws skepticscott Jan 2013 #45
enlightenment ethics not religious ethics have more profoundly shaped northern europe Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #46
They have abandoned the church but to their own brand of agnosticism not atheism. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #74
Everyone in Japan identifies with the Shinto "Way of the Gods" faith, damn near. MADem Jan 2013 #38
Has anyone read this? BainsBane Jan 2013 #2
Yes, it was a really good book Duer 157099 Jan 2013 #4
Thanks! BainsBane Jan 2013 #5
Can't be explained by science? Try delusion. immoderate Jan 2013 #8
so you haven't read it BainsBane Jan 2013 #9
At a university. immoderate Jan 2013 #14
right BainsBane Jan 2013 #19
There's a better place? immoderate Jan 2013 #31
Delusion: Everything is rational. It's not. That's a product of mind. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #76
What does that mean? "Everything" makes that a broad generalization. immoderate Jan 2013 #82
"Everything Has a Rational Explanation." You wouldn't form the conception that Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #87
No, that guy's "visions" follow a pattern whose explanation is rational. immoderate Jan 2013 #102
A pattern of 1000's of years of "non-rational" spiritual precedent. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #103
No but I'll bet the author's angle is to sell as many books as possible. Ligyron Jan 2013 #16
so much for evidence-based analysis BainsBane Jan 2013 #18
You won't like P Z Myers destruction of the book then intaglio Jan 2013 #40
i do love me some p.z. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #47
I don't know what to think of it BainsBane Jan 2013 #52
No he was in a BRAIN DEAD STATE which signifies being BRAIN DEAD... Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #75
That's the point - NONE intaglio Jan 2013 #112
Perhaps saying we should evolve beyond it or put it behind us would be better than "ending." cleanhippie Jan 2013 #3
I understand and I didn't take it as a threat. I just Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #13
innate might not be the right word Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #48
Some people are more aware of the spiritual than others. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #77
doesn't make it innately human. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #116
Sorry, that's simply not true. Duer 157099 Jan 2013 #6
Religion need not and often isn't opposed to science. Fundamentalism is. Nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #17
Not opposed, just totally different. immoderate Jan 2013 #32
Ignorance tells you: "the universe loves you" nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #78
Ignorance of what? The idea comes from somewhere. immoderate Jan 2013 #83
Yeah. It comes from Ignorance. Misunderstanding. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #86
Actually, we've figured out most of those. The reason why religion isn't going anywhere is-- Moonwalk Jan 2013 #7
Most of what you claimed about religion is true for some religion but not all... Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #21
I'm sorry, but we DO know. You just don't seem to like the answers. For example... Moonwalk Jan 2013 #37
I've read many books etc by top scientists tama Jan 2013 #39
A materialistic measure cannot be used to "prove" that "spirit exits"... Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #81
Oh dear, intaglio Jan 2013 #43
... tama Jan 2013 #44
Ok, first point, nice jest and accepted intaglio Jan 2013 #66
Good points tama Jan 2013 #68
What does any of that have to do with religion? Deep13 Jan 2013 #10
Who said anything about god? I was talking about religion... Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #24
Wrong on several points. Deep13 Jan 2013 #30
Buddhism and Taoism have no god amongst others I'm sure.. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #35
Poor mind tama Jan 2013 #41
I'm offering the standard definition of mind. I'm using the dualistic conception of mind Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #84
You were talking about Buddhism and Taoism tama Jan 2013 #92
A Buddhist or Taoist conception of mind is not complicated or intellectually based. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #95
Ah! tama Jan 2013 #100
"Free from desire, you realize the mystery. Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations." nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #101
And there my three tama Jan 2013 #107
Aware now? tama Jan 2013 #109
the universe is not infinite Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #49
Measurement resolution is finite tama Jan 2013 #55
infinity like nothing is an abstract concept Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #56
"Same laws everywhere" tama Jan 2013 #58
not axiomatic basis its empirical basis. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #60
Deeper empirical symmetry tama Jan 2013 #62
Is Tibetan Buddhism a religion? pangaia Jan 2013 #88
Yes it is. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #90
I just asked because pangaia Jan 2013 #91
An ignorant definition of Religion and God. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #93
Why? Why do we need to answer "these fundamental questions" first? CrispyQ Jan 2013 #11
Because this is why people subscribe to religion... Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #27
How old is the earth? Control-Z Jan 2013 #15
It was suggested that we "end religion." I'm saying it is futile Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #28
Current WMAP data pegs the age of the universe... DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #34
Yes and 500 years ago the earth was the center of the universe. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #97
No. Although the Ptolameic system was the predominant cosmological model... DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #111
Do you think people subscribe to religion for an answer to how we got here, and why? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #67
Your conception of Religion is based on your society and is largely ignorant. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #98
Your problem is customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #26
Actually there are plenty if atheists that want to literally end religion... Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #29
That's like ending stupidity. Can't happen. immoderate Jan 2013 #33
More like ending love. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #89
Really? Like who? Who exactly, wants to end (ban) religion through legislative or physical force? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #61
Hmm tama Jan 2013 #63
Count for what? The question was who is calling for a ban? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #64
They rile the locals: "Obscure cranks on the internet do not count." ;) nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #99
Fine tama Jan 2013 #42
different treatment bc the paradigm says only religion can impose morality in society Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #50
Pot and Kettle tama Jan 2013 #51
i disagree. given a choice between theocratic monarchy Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #53
I would choose tama Jan 2013 #54
i somehow doubt you would be happy in Bhutan Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #57
Never been there tama Jan 2013 #59
Certain drugs are illegal all of the time for everybody customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #69
Blue laws - I have seen them primarily in New England. cbayer Jan 2013 #70
It's all over the east coast customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #71
I remember camping and bicycling in the deep South. cbayer Jan 2013 #73
Those are state level laws? tama Jan 2013 #72
Nah, they'll just move the fucking goal posts again. Iggo Jan 2013 #65
Goal Posts? Can you let me know where they are? nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Jan 2013 #110
Why do we have to figure out ANYTHING? Just say we don't fucking KNOW.l MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #80
Because we do know. It's an experiential knowing not something that can be written down in a text.. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #85
Maybe YOU know -- I don't. I don't think experiencing and knowing are the same thing. MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #94
Experiencing and Knowing are very similar if not same thing. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #96
Religion does no better expaining those things. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #104
All completely based on an erroneous conception of religion/ spirituality. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #105
My own personal history with multiple Religions, and my degree from a Jesuit University JoePhilly Jan 2013 #106
Buddhism and Taoism don't demand anything of you. The buddha would have asked you to "test his Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #108
Why you continue your misinterpretaions, I do not know intaglio Jan 2013 #113
Thank you for responding on this while I was busy with material oneness this weekened. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #114
Re Buddhism tama Jan 2013 #115
Sorry for the gross oversimplification intaglio Jan 2013 #117
Complementary, Dr. Watson, complementary! :) tama Jan 2013 #118
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