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4. Religion and Government are societal mirrors. nt

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Religion is not the Problem: But is it the Answer...? [View all] Flabbergasted Jan 2013 OP

IMO, the greatest danger of practicing religion is that it trains one to evaluate life issues ladjf Jan 2013 #1

There really is no true objectivity. Even science cannot withstand the role of the self. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #6

Yeah it is. Iggo Jan 2013 #3

Religion and Government are societal mirrors. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #4

Even so. Iggo Jan 2013 #22

Religions are numerous and they are pliable. There is the religion of Tibetan Buddhism which Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #25

That's wonderful news. Iggo Jan 2013 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #5

Disagree with your premise. Deep13 Jan 2013 #7

Religion is a symbolism of what the mind cannot possibly grasp. There are no gods no, but there is Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #8

So if you can't grasp it skepticscott Jan 2013 #9

1000's of years anecdotal history of spiritual experience by my ancestors, and my own personal Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #10

And what about the thousands of years skepticscott Jan 2013 #11

I'm a fool, scott. But I have spent decades thinking about religion. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #12

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Do you understand symbolism at all? nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #14

"anecdotal history"? mr blur Jan 2013 #15

I don't see why thousands of years of history should be dismissed? You can even place this history Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #17

As I mentioned in your other thread, deucemagnet Jan 2013 #35

The central premise of religion was never meant to withstand the "evidence" you are talking about. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #36

Hey! Where'd those goalposts go? n/t deucemagnet Jan 2013 #37

Whoosh. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #38

So would you agree, then, that belief in religion is irrational? deucemagnet Jan 2013 #40

My Whoosh comment was meant to return a glib reply. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #43

But my glib reply was a response to a dishonest argument. deucemagnet Jan 2013 #48

You're not seeing what religion is actually about. Religion is very simple, it needs no evidence, Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #50

OK, if you're not going to answer my question, deucemagnet Jan 2013 #52

You think that the statements are exclusive, i get it. They are not. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #53

Rational and irrational tama Jan 2013 #83

Can you actually SEE a Black Hole or do you understand it by other means? Tigress DEM Jan 2013 #54

No one has ever claimed that skepticscott Jan 2013 #59

Because no one has ever gone through a black hole and come back with factual data. Tigress DEM Jan 2013 #72

Who says it's not? And, No. nt mr blur Jan 2013 #16

Did you read what I wrote? nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #19

No, Religion IS a Problem dballance Jan 2013 #18

That is all a misunderstanding of religion on either side. That is precisely the issue I wrote Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #20

So much of what religion teaches is fact based, you are cherry picking fundamentalist teachings.... Tigress DEM Jan 2013 #55

I love your reply...Thanks Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #56

Welome to the religion group, Tigress DEM. cbayer Jan 2013 #60

"Jesus was a person who lived." How can you possibly know that? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #61

He is documented historically. That Jesus lived is a fact. It's been investigated ad naseum. Tigress DEM Jan 2013 #71

No. It. Is. Not. A. Fact. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #73

Per Wiki: Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed Tigress DEM Jan 2013 #75

*sigh* cleanhippie Jan 2013 #77

There is actually according to "The Jesus Dynasty" tremendous amounts of historical records of Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #80

If there are "tremendous amounts" of historical records, where are they? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #81

Josephus the Jewish historian. Some prime evidence is the existence of the oral history that led Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #85

So no "tremndous amount" of anything. Got it. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #86

Jesus almost certainly existed just based on this, like it or not. Nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #87

Oh yes, almost certainly... cleanhippie Jan 2013 #88

You really think Josephus's writings are completely fraudulent. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #89

No, I think it is anything but certain. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #90

I separate the "supernatural stuff" from the person. There doesn't Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #91

Perhaps my point is just this... cleanhippie Jan 2013 #92

I tend to agree. I wonder on the other hand what inspired Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #93

Control and power. Nothing more, nothing less. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #94

From a historical standpoint sure... Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #95

Actual scholarship doesn't work with okasha Jan 2013 #82

You might try thinking a little more deeply about this skepticscott Jan 2013 #62

The best answer to the question of why should I go to church came from a priest many years ago. rug Jan 2013 #21

That is really the essence of the spiritual path vs the religious. They each fulfill their time Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #24

Translation skepticscott Jan 2013 #28

Translation rug Jan 2013 #29

Yes, of course skepticscott Jan 2013 #42

Which is of course not the topic; it's your monomania. rug Jan 2013 #44

Hmmmm...the topic you raised skepticscott Jan 2013 #63

Wrong again. rug Jan 2013 #66

Yes, the Catholic Church became a powerful component in the world. Still is. Tigress DEM Jan 2013 #74

You'd be hard-pressed to find a Church of Taoism to offer a bribe to. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #34

When ruggie joins one skepticscott Jan 2013 #41

Well scottie, it seems it's you, scottie, not him accusing me of having a "myopic worldview". rug Jan 2013 #45

No, I won't "own those words" skepticscott Jan 2013 #49

You guys know the rules. No fighting in hippie threads. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #51

You, scottie, not him, used those words in connection with my name. rug Jan 2013 #57

He used those words in connection skepticscott Jan 2013 #64

And you, in your typical fashion, singled out one person, me. rug Jan 2013 #65

I know how especially sensitive skepticscott Jan 2013 #67

I am more sensitive to assholes. rug Jan 2013 #68

Yawn skepticscott Jan 2013 #69

I'm taking it up with you, since you brought me into your weird little subthread. rug Jan 2013 #70

Sorry, I have no clue what your talking about. Could you rephrase? I am a fool after-all: Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #46

No it isn't and no it's not, respectively. JoeyT Jan 2013 #23

So true...to actually present a religious conservative with The Beatitudes is almost comical, if not libdem4life Jan 2013 #27

Yes it is. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #33

I think we really don't "need" religion but the fact is that by account of a spiritual path there Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #31

There's also saying tama Jan 2013 #84

Your citations of spirituality, can be stated as Road House Rule #1... immoderate Jan 2013 #30

Yep. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #32

"....the answer my friend is blowing in the wind...." madrchsod Jan 2013 #39

Indeed. A koan if there ever was one. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #47

I doubt there is any answer. Jim__ Jan 2013 #58

Religion is the byproduct of a master's teaching disintegrated by the ego's that follow. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #78

You cannot fight lies with lies DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #76

You cannot combat a misunderstanding with a misunderstanding is more apt. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #79