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In reply to the discussion: A tentative win for religious liberty in Obamacare lawsuit [View all]rug
(82,333 posts)34. Wheaton College was founded by a Methodist abolitionist.
Its motto is "Christo et Regno Eijus".
The history behind these lawsuits is important.
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Tell us, in which way was religious liberty in risk of being infringed?
2ndAmForComputers
Dec 2012
#4
The answer to that question is, of course, "none." Do you disagree with that?
2ndAmForComputers
Dec 2012
#11
That you canot find a fact where the Court of Appeals has does not surprise me in the least.
rug
Dec 2012
#13
There is a distinction you're missing between different types of religious organizations.
eomer
Dec 2012
#18
The ACA imports the trem "religious employer" as defined in ERISA and the Internl Revenue Code,
rug
Dec 2012
#36
Not true, the ACA does not import the term "religious employer" or use it in any way.
eomer
Dec 2012
#39
That's not a definition of the term "religious employer", which you said would be found there.
eomer
Dec 2012
#56
If you read them together they still have nothing to say about the right claimed by Wheaton College.
eomer
Dec 2012
#58
And that representation was that HHS will write the regulation implementing the exemption.
rug
Dec 2012
#59
Therefore, the logical conclusion of your argument is that the HHS, without statutory authority,
rug
Dec 2012
#65
No, the statutory authority is listed right in the regulation and it is the same as I said in #31.
eomer
Dec 2012
#76
Can we now take it you accept eomer has showed you the court did not rule about religious liberty?
muriel_volestrangler
Dec 2012
#23
The title if the piece you chose was "a tentative win for religious liberty in Obamacare lawsuit"
muriel_volestrangler
Dec 2012
#29
You've refused to answer the question, again, so there's no point in continuing
muriel_volestrangler
Dec 2012
#38
Mostly correct but the administration has granted an accommodation, not recognized a right.
eomer
Dec 2012
#46
Why don't we all take a look at all OTHER things Mr. Wingfield has written on that publcation?
2ndAmForComputers
Dec 2012
#8
I do not prefer to 'chew on surmises' so I will ask you questions directly.
LeftishBrit
Dec 2012
#48
"DISGUSTING, INHUMAN individuals, who cannot be regarded as part of decent society"?
rug
Dec 2012
#50
There is of course one solution to the problem of institutions paying for aspects of healthcare that
LeftishBrit
Dec 2012
#28
WHOSE religious liberty? What about a Protestant student, whose religion allows abortion?
Brettongarcia
Dec 2012
#30
Good choice of cases; the gov is not up against the giant Church. In THIS case.
Brettongarcia
Dec 2012
#63
The other appellant, Belmont Abbey College, is a Cathoic college and the Becket Fund is behind this.
rug
Dec 2012
#66
The most important idea: ENFORCING AN ANTI-ABORTION RELIGION, DENIES OTHER RELIGIONS
Brettongarcia
Dec 2012
#67
Protestants almost uniformly disapproved contraception until the 1930 Lambeth Conference.
rug
Dec 2012
#69
Most Protestant churches allow contraception today: another important case here; not just labor
Brettongarcia
Dec 2012
#71
I argued with Archbishop Chaput that bishops are employees of the Vatican, in effect?
Brettongarcia
Dec 2012
#72
My argument was never presented; feel free to bring it up with whoever is working on these cases
Brettongarcia
Dec 2012
#75
There is a win for religious liberty here, just not the one that the article claims.
eomer
Dec 2012
#32
My religion allows abortion; what happens when my Catholic employer denies my religion?
Brettongarcia
Dec 2012
#78
Rug? My PhD is in post-poststructuralist semantics; it's clear to me you are equivocating
Brettongarcia
Dec 2012
#47
Thanks in any case, for your close consideration of the current legal argument
Brettongarcia
Dec 2012
#62
Honestly, unless they are dickheads, I would imagine, they would accept buyouts...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2012
#60
Would have to close? Wouldn't there be more dimensions to the question of conscience?
eomer
Dec 2012
#79
They would continue their charity work, including medical care, as they have for centuries.
rug
Dec 2012
#80
Catholic doctrine says all artificial methods are evil and will result in eternal damnation. no?
eomer
Dec 2012
#82
What happens when religions conflict? Whose religion gets freedom, over others?
Brettongarcia
Dec 2012
#81