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What are "Biblical Values"? [View all] Thats my opinion Nov 2012 OP

Don't forget stoning your neighbor for working on Sunday. Speck Tater Nov 2012 #1

I don't recall stoning for violating the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was Saturday then. merrily Nov 2012 #5

Exodus 31:12-15 ... Speck Tater Nov 2012 #6

see post 7 nt Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #16

Sorry, but I am still not seeing stoning or Sunday. Interesting translation, too. merrily Nov 2012 #24

So because it's not stoning on Sunday it's OK? trotsky Nov 2012 #36

Murdering on Sabbath. OK, is that better? nt Speck Tater Nov 2012 #46

No, that is not a Biblical value Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #7

The Bible says you are NOT allowed to ignore what you wish to ignore in the Bible. Speck Tater Nov 2012 #11

Yes, but there are also provisions of the New Testament to the effect that merrily Nov 2012 #28

Your edit reveals a critical point here. trotsky Nov 2012 #35

So since the ten commandments are Old Testament, we can ignore them. Right? nt Speck Tater Nov 2012 #47

"provisions of the New Testament" = Speck Tater Nov 2012 #48

That stance is exactly how the fundamentalist view Biblical innerency. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #38

"Solid Biblical scholarship"? skepticscott Nov 2012 #42

Even if we stipulate that God exists, the bible is still a God-awful mess. eomer Nov 2012 #113

...... merrily Nov 2012 #31

"the heart of the Judeo-Christian tradition" trotsky Nov 2012 #37

see post 7 nt Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #15

i quit paying attention to Billy... during the Nixon era oldhippydude Nov 2012 #2

you lasted longer than I did nt Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #17

This is probably your best post to date Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #3

Thanks. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #10

Romney ............ Willard is his first name Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #13

Of course! Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #19

But a month before the election Willard sat at Billy's feet and got his blessing. nt Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #21

Yes, I saw the picture Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #25

Fragile and probably easily manipulated Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #32

On his website he called Mormonism a cult Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #33

....... merrily Nov 2012 #4

The non religious are best joined by the religious rrneck Nov 2012 #8

My guess is that if you look back into history Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #12

My guess is that you are ignoring the Enlightenment rrneck Nov 2012 #18

Of course religion is repleat with what you suggest. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #20

If you would... rrneck Nov 2012 #26

In a paragraph or two? Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #39

Got a link? rrneck Nov 2012 #41

With religion, it's impossible to distinguish the rot from the apple. trotsky Nov 2012 #29

The Enlightenment was a repudiation skepticscott Nov 2012 #43

He long ago made up his mind that religion - specifically, HIS religion... trotsky Nov 2012 #45

You missed a few intaglio Nov 2012 #9

The thrust of religious ethics is clear. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #14

Good OP, but you had to go and spoil it. mr blur Nov 2012 #22

Yes, he's made it perfectly clear that he views religion to be the one thing keeping us civilized. trotsky Nov 2012 #27

Religion is a formal manifestation of an emotional need rrneck Nov 2012 #30

The thrust of religious ethics is clear? intaglio Nov 2012 #34

Sorry, but I've quit trying to dialogue with that sort of vituperation. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #40

Then stop making selective quotations intaglio Nov 2012 #49

"bowdlerised" I learned a new word today. JKingman Nov 2012 #217

Conversation also means you don't get to selectively ignore data... trotsky Nov 2012 #50

This is how he continues to convince himself that he is superior to the rest of us. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #60

The Golden Rule is basic to many religions and also explicit in the various Humanist Manifestos, jody Nov 2012 #23

I'm almost sure Leviticus is still in the Bible. dimbear Nov 2012 #44

Like all ancient texts Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #51

If Leviticus cannot be read literally, then none of the bible can be read literally. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #54

The bible is a collection of very old books, many of them pastiche Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #56

Please show me some of this "anti-religious bigotry." cleanhippie Nov 2012 #58

Bigots don't generally believe they are bigots Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #59

So stop spewing bigotry and show us some examples of it. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #64

Hmm! Some examples? Let's see now. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #114

You have demonstrated your passive-aggresiveness well, but failed to show bigotry. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #116

Thank you for acknowledging that I am not a bigot. That shows some progress on your part. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #134

Your passive-aggressiveness is a turn off. Learn how to control that, then we can talk cleanhippie Nov 2012 #148

You obviously have some serious problems Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #165

Oh, on the contrary, it is you that seems to have serious problems. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #167

Wow. Really Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #163

Sorry, but I have no idea what you are talking about. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #164

You can't really be that obtuse, can you? Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #168

Link please Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #172

Oh, come on Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #173

OK, I got it now. Couldn't remember his name. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #174

BTW, your buddy just got PPR'ed. trotsky Nov 2012 #193

The worst bigots never are. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #196

What buddy? The guy whose name I couldn't remember and had never seen before. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #197

Clearly your buddy's disappearance was upsetting. trotsky Nov 2012 #198

So when they say that skepticscott Nov 2012 #206

Lying would seem to be in line with the behavior exihibited so far. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #207

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #175

I know Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #177

He has become a joke, GM. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #166

Bigots usually call everyone else bigots, even while they spew their bigotry. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #178

Whoa, whoa, "Treat the native population Justly?"...excuse me? God's actions say otherwise... Moonwalk Nov 2012 #65

You really believe God said that? Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #70

LOL! Dude, I'm an Atheist! I don't believe there is a god to say ANYTHING...BUT.... Moonwalk Nov 2012 #99

Then you can't complain that God said to kill peole Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #112

He can complain about whatever the hell he wants. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #179

I'm not surprised you don't get the story of Abraham and Issac, AlbertCat Nov 2012 #187

On the Nationalistic side...just to add... Moonwalk Nov 2012 #102

You guys always seem to think it makes you daring and grown up to say "fuck" Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #115

I could make a strong argument that completely ignoring the substance of a person's argument Hissyspit Nov 2012 #122

Well, make your strong argument if you think you can Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #129

grown up to say "fuck" like a 13 year old. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #188

Reading the typical religion bashing on this thread Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #52

If keeping score is what you want to do... cleanhippie Nov 2012 #53

I don't happen to be a Christian Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #55

"Remind me of why I should take you people to be liberals or lefties?" What. The. Fuck? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #57

I'm not the one trying to alienate well over 80% of Americans Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #61

Yeah, that is what I'm trying to do. You found me out. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #62

Yeah, it is what you're doing. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #68

Then you are a bigot too! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #78

What passes as a clever retort among your buddies, I'd suppose. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #80

You're not paying attention. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #97

How does it feel to know that you can't carry your argument? Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #98

How does it feel to know you dont even have an argument. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #101

I've seldom encountered an atheist who really knew what a non sequitur was Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #104

Then you need to get out more. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #105

I see you've reached the stage of total meaninglessness. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #108

Perhaps, but at least I'm not at the stage of nonsense like you are. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #109

You keep insulting me and you're going to make me over-confident Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #119

You started out by insulting, and have yet to stop. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #124

I started out by correcting your bigoted accusation that I was a Christian Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #130

You are so cute! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #147

You are so running on empty. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #149

How precious. It taunts, too. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #151

Any emptier you're going to fall into a vacuum Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #156

There is no chance that I will fall between your ears. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #157

Ignoring you Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #160

Is that a promise? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #161

I'm in the process of writing a long piece about St. Carl Sagan and the industry peddling him AlbertCat Nov 2012 #189

Gosh that sounds familiar. trotsky Nov 2012 #106

I wrote about that quote earlier this year on my blog and in blog comments before then Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #118

Ah yes of course. trotsky Nov 2012 #120

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #131

If you're "standing up" to people you disagee with, trotsky Nov 2012 #137

WACBs Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #138

Is that what Jesus told you to do? Fight fire with fire, attack with impunity... trotsky Nov 2012 #140

Telling the truth to refute fiction isn't forbidden by any religion I know of Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #141

I'm sorry you continue to feel the need to personally insult me and my intelligence. trotsky Nov 2012 #145

You really don't get this law stuff, do you. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #153

FYI - Seven states prohibit atheists from holding public office. bunnies Nov 2012 #146

For your information the CONSTITUTION AND FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS ACTS SUPERSEDE Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #150

For your information cleanhippie Nov 2012 #181

Not just locked out of the discussion! trotsky Nov 2012 #194

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #195

The new atheists ignore facts like that to make believe they are the most discriminated against AlbertCat Nov 2012 #190

Excuse me? gcomeau Nov 2012 #63

They thought so Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #66

No they didn't. Don't be naive. -eom. gcomeau Nov 2012 #67

It's not called being naive Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #71

And ACTUALLY BELIEVING IT. gcomeau Nov 2012 #75

What matters is that they believed that what they were doing was science Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #84

Bullcrap they did. gcomeau Nov 2012 #85

They did that because they believe people are objects Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #87

Um, here's your first problem Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #88

So you figure Dawkins was lying when he said that Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #91

All Dawkins is saying in that quotation Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #94

Oh, so now we've gone from "they did it because they thought it was science" gcomeau Nov 2012 #89

No evil, no good, no purpose, Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #93

No thought put into your statements, gcomeau Nov 2012 #111

I'm not interested in a "concept of good and evil". Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #117

Sigh... gcomeau Nov 2012 #125

You're claiming your society isn't in the universe? Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #132

No. I'm saying society =/= universe. gcomeau Nov 2012 #133

Well of course society doesn't equal the universe it's an element Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #135

No, you're not reading it carefully. gcomeau Nov 2012 #139

"At bottom" means at the most basic level Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #142

Why yes, IT DOES. So why are you ignoring that? gcomeau Nov 2012 #144

You are making my point. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #154

No, you just can't comprehend mine. gcomeau Nov 2012 #159

It's so odd that you can't see that you're confirming what I said. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #162

No, you just cannot comprehend what he is saying. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #182

they can damage the larger Democratic effort, they can't win elections. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #192

OK, so let me get this straight Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #69

Marx famously said, Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #73

Um, you missed my point oh wise and great one. Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #74

Well, anyone who murdered other people was not following Jesus Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #79

You aren't serious, right? Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #90

Jesus was absolutely clear, you were to treat people as you would be treated, Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #92

So you can't be moral unless you have religion? Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #95

If a materialist acts morally they are not doing it from the basis of materialism Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #96

So then, conversely, from the point you make Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #100

Immoral acts are all based in selfishness, morality is effectively resisting selfishness Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #103

Does religion put a restraint on selfishness? trotsky Nov 2012 #121

I already pointed out that they do Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #155

Given your inability to refrain from personal attacks, I have decided to place you on Ignore. trotsky Nov 2012 #158

Nobody said that, Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #107

So you weren't following along either Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #110

You Got That Right Ligyron Nov 2012 #81

Geesh, one more cliche and you get an egg roll. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #82

You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #180

How clueless do you have to be to think Stalin and Mao were, in the smallest way, motivated by "scie AlbertCat Nov 2012 #191

Lol, there are more literalists in this thread than in some churches. cbayer Nov 2012 #72

Yeah, hahahahaha Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #76

Please, if you are going to take a swipe at me, go for it. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #83

a couple thoughts Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #86

How typically arrogant of you and your gaggle of ivory tower academics skepticscott Nov 2012 #127

Graham was just punching a button for the GOP. jeepnstein Nov 2012 #77

As A believing Christian I think that Biblical Values mean to live your life with integrity. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #123

Biblical morality: It's okay to commit genocide, to murder two year-old children clutching ... GodlessBiker Nov 2012 #126

! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #128

Noah's arc is a fable Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #136

pretzel anyone? Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #143

Ah, so what parts of the bible are fables intaglio Nov 2012 #201

Unfortunately, the phrase has become code Warpy Nov 2012 #152

I agree. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #169

Wow! After all we have seen here Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #170

The Jewish conception of justice Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #171

Right, So the pagan Saxon concept of equality before the Law intaglio Nov 2012 #202

WRONG AGAIN, TMO!!!! "Biblical values" has not been used as code for the non-religious. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #183

Huh? Warpy Nov 2012 #185

Warpy, Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #199

Like this one? Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #203

judgement and intolerence Skittles Nov 2012 #176

Bingo, hit the nail on the head! EvolveOrConvolve Nov 2012 #184

Billy Graham is a respected evangelical who has helped millions of people turn their lives around. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #186

Give me a definition of "values" Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #200

Give me a definition of "values" AlbertCat Nov 2012 #204

Song of Solomon. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #205

Sorry Albert The Song of Solomon is about erotic love. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #208

Sorry Albert The Song of Solomon is about erotic love. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #209

"It's like you didn't even read a word I said" - AC, that is what is so frustrating! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #211

"A dirty poem."? Is that what sexuality is for you. Too bad. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #210

The Bible is one sicko, violent, fucked-up book. Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #212

Fundamentalists are easily spotted. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #213

Right. I'm a fundy. You found me out. Curses! Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #214

Give us a defintition of fundamentalism--not religious but just generic. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #215

Someone who doesn't buy into irrational theological doctrines is not a fundamentalist. Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #216