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Anthony McCarthy

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117. I'm not interested in a "concept of good and evil".
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:46 PM
Nov 2012

I'm interested in people believing they are required to avoid doing evil and to go good strongly enough for it to change behavior for the better.

I'm wondering where those "concepts" are if they aren't contained in the universe.

And, I'll point out, yet again for those who can't be bothered to read up-thread IT WAS RICHARD DAWKINS WHO SAID IT, I WAS JUST REPEATING IT AND TAKING HIM AT HIS WORD THAT HE BELIEVED THAT. He purported his nihilistic view to be supported by science as he purports to be a scientist. That puts the onus on him to really mean what he says when speaking ex cathedra, so to speak.

It's not my fault that the atheists here don't seem to believe he really meant what he said, I believe he meant it as I do the other atheists who said similar things about morality not being real.

What are "Biblical Values"? [View all] Thats my opinion Nov 2012 OP
Don't forget stoning your neighbor for working on Sunday. Speck Tater Nov 2012 #1
I don't recall stoning for violating the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was Saturday then. merrily Nov 2012 #5
Exodus 31:12-15 ... Speck Tater Nov 2012 #6
see post 7 nt Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #16
Sorry, but I am still not seeing stoning or Sunday. Interesting translation, too. merrily Nov 2012 #24
So because it's not stoning on Sunday it's OK? trotsky Nov 2012 #36
Murdering on Sabbath. OK, is that better? nt Speck Tater Nov 2012 #46
No, that is not a Biblical value Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #7
The Bible says you are NOT allowed to ignore what you wish to ignore in the Bible. Speck Tater Nov 2012 #11
Yes, but there are also provisions of the New Testament to the effect that merrily Nov 2012 #28
Your edit reveals a critical point here. trotsky Nov 2012 #35
So since the ten commandments are Old Testament, we can ignore them. Right? nt Speck Tater Nov 2012 #47
"provisions of the New Testament" = Speck Tater Nov 2012 #48
That stance is exactly how the fundamentalist view Biblical innerency. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #38
"Solid Biblical scholarship"? skepticscott Nov 2012 #42
Even if we stipulate that God exists, the bible is still a God-awful mess. eomer Nov 2012 #113
...... merrily Nov 2012 #31
"the heart of the Judeo-Christian tradition" trotsky Nov 2012 #37
see post 7 nt Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #15
i quit paying attention to Billy... during the Nixon era oldhippydude Nov 2012 #2
you lasted longer than I did nt Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #17
This is probably your best post to date Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #3
Thanks. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #10
Romney ............ Willard is his first name Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #13
Of course! Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #19
But a month before the election Willard sat at Billy's feet and got his blessing. nt Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #21
Yes, I saw the picture Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #25
Fragile and probably easily manipulated Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #32
On his website he called Mormonism a cult Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #33
....... merrily Nov 2012 #4
The non religious are best joined by the religious rrneck Nov 2012 #8
My guess is that if you look back into history Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #12
My guess is that you are ignoring the Enlightenment rrneck Nov 2012 #18
Of course religion is repleat with what you suggest. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #20
If you would... rrneck Nov 2012 #26
In a paragraph or two? Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #39
Got a link? rrneck Nov 2012 #41
With religion, it's impossible to distinguish the rot from the apple. trotsky Nov 2012 #29
The Enlightenment was a repudiation skepticscott Nov 2012 #43
He long ago made up his mind that religion - specifically, HIS religion... trotsky Nov 2012 #45
You missed a few intaglio Nov 2012 #9
The thrust of religious ethics is clear. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #14
Good OP, but you had to go and spoil it. mr blur Nov 2012 #22
Yes, he's made it perfectly clear that he views religion to be the one thing keeping us civilized. trotsky Nov 2012 #27
Religion is a formal manifestation of an emotional need rrneck Nov 2012 #30
The thrust of religious ethics is clear? intaglio Nov 2012 #34
Sorry, but I've quit trying to dialogue with that sort of vituperation. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #40
Then stop making selective quotations intaglio Nov 2012 #49
"bowdlerised" I learned a new word today. JKingman Nov 2012 #217
Conversation also means you don't get to selectively ignore data... trotsky Nov 2012 #50
This is how he continues to convince himself that he is superior to the rest of us. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #60
The Golden Rule is basic to many religions and also explicit in the various Humanist Manifestos, jody Nov 2012 #23
I'm almost sure Leviticus is still in the Bible. dimbear Nov 2012 #44
Like all ancient texts Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #51
If Leviticus cannot be read literally, then none of the bible can be read literally. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #54
The bible is a collection of very old books, many of them pastiche Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #56
Please show me some of this "anti-religious bigotry." cleanhippie Nov 2012 #58
Bigots don't generally believe they are bigots Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #59
So stop spewing bigotry and show us some examples of it. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #64
Hmm! Some examples? Let's see now. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #114
You have demonstrated your passive-aggresiveness well, but failed to show bigotry. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #116
Thank you for acknowledging that I am not a bigot. That shows some progress on your part. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #134
Your passive-aggressiveness is a turn off. Learn how to control that, then we can talk cleanhippie Nov 2012 #148
You obviously have some serious problems Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #165
Oh, on the contrary, it is you that seems to have serious problems. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #167
Wow. Really Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #163
Sorry, but I have no idea what you are talking about. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #164
You can't really be that obtuse, can you? Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #168
Link please Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #172
Oh, come on Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #173
OK, I got it now. Couldn't remember his name. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #174
BTW, your buddy just got PPR'ed. trotsky Nov 2012 #193
The worst bigots never are. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #196
What buddy? The guy whose name I couldn't remember and had never seen before. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #197
Clearly your buddy's disappearance was upsetting. trotsky Nov 2012 #198
So when they say that skepticscott Nov 2012 #206
Lying would seem to be in line with the behavior exihibited so far. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #207
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #175
I know Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #177
He has become a joke, GM. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #166
Bigots usually call everyone else bigots, even while they spew their bigotry. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #178
Whoa, whoa, "Treat the native population Justly?"...excuse me? God's actions say otherwise... Moonwalk Nov 2012 #65
You really believe God said that? Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #70
LOL! Dude, I'm an Atheist! I don't believe there is a god to say ANYTHING...BUT.... Moonwalk Nov 2012 #99
Then you can't complain that God said to kill peole Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #112
He can complain about whatever the hell he wants. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #179
I'm not surprised you don't get the story of Abraham and Issac, AlbertCat Nov 2012 #187
On the Nationalistic side...just to add... Moonwalk Nov 2012 #102
You guys always seem to think it makes you daring and grown up to say "fuck" Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #115
I could make a strong argument that completely ignoring the substance of a person's argument Hissyspit Nov 2012 #122
Well, make your strong argument if you think you can Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #129
grown up to say "fuck" like a 13 year old. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #188
Reading the typical religion bashing on this thread Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #52
If keeping score is what you want to do... cleanhippie Nov 2012 #53
I don't happen to be a Christian Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #55
"Remind me of why I should take you people to be liberals or lefties?" What. The. Fuck? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #57
I'm not the one trying to alienate well over 80% of Americans Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #61
Yeah, that is what I'm trying to do. You found me out. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #62
Yeah, it is what you're doing. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #68
Then you are a bigot too! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #78
What passes as a clever retort among your buddies, I'd suppose. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #80
You're not paying attention. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #97
How does it feel to know that you can't carry your argument? Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #98
How does it feel to know you dont even have an argument. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #101
I've seldom encountered an atheist who really knew what a non sequitur was Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #104
Then you need to get out more. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #105
I see you've reached the stage of total meaninglessness. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #108
Perhaps, but at least I'm not at the stage of nonsense like you are. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #109
You keep insulting me and you're going to make me over-confident Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #119
You started out by insulting, and have yet to stop. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #124
I started out by correcting your bigoted accusation that I was a Christian Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #130
You are so cute! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #147
You are so running on empty. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #149
How precious. It taunts, too. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #151
Any emptier you're going to fall into a vacuum Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #156
There is no chance that I will fall between your ears. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #157
Ignoring you Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #160
Is that a promise? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #161
I'm in the process of writing a long piece about St. Carl Sagan and the industry peddling him AlbertCat Nov 2012 #189
Gosh that sounds familiar. trotsky Nov 2012 #106
I wrote about that quote earlier this year on my blog and in blog comments before then Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #118
Ah yes of course. trotsky Nov 2012 #120
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #131
If you're "standing up" to people you disagee with, trotsky Nov 2012 #137
WACBs Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #138
Is that what Jesus told you to do? Fight fire with fire, attack with impunity... trotsky Nov 2012 #140
Telling the truth to refute fiction isn't forbidden by any religion I know of Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #141
I'm sorry you continue to feel the need to personally insult me and my intelligence. trotsky Nov 2012 #145
You really don't get this law stuff, do you. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #153
FYI - Seven states prohibit atheists from holding public office. bunnies Nov 2012 #146
For your information the CONSTITUTION AND FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS ACTS SUPERSEDE Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #150
For your information cleanhippie Nov 2012 #181
Not just locked out of the discussion! trotsky Nov 2012 #194
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #195
The new atheists ignore facts like that to make believe they are the most discriminated against AlbertCat Nov 2012 #190
Excuse me? gcomeau Nov 2012 #63
They thought so Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #66
No they didn't. Don't be naive. -eom. gcomeau Nov 2012 #67
It's not called being naive Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #71
And ACTUALLY BELIEVING IT. gcomeau Nov 2012 #75
What matters is that they believed that what they were doing was science Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #84
Bullcrap they did. gcomeau Nov 2012 #85
They did that because they believe people are objects Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #87
Um, here's your first problem Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #88
So you figure Dawkins was lying when he said that Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #91
All Dawkins is saying in that quotation Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #94
Oh, so now we've gone from "they did it because they thought it was science" gcomeau Nov 2012 #89
No evil, no good, no purpose, Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #93
No thought put into your statements, gcomeau Nov 2012 #111
I'm not interested in a "concept of good and evil". Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #117
Sigh... gcomeau Nov 2012 #125
You're claiming your society isn't in the universe? Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #132
No. I'm saying society =/= universe. gcomeau Nov 2012 #133
Well of course society doesn't equal the universe it's an element Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #135
No, you're not reading it carefully. gcomeau Nov 2012 #139
"At bottom" means at the most basic level Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #142
Why yes, IT DOES. So why are you ignoring that? gcomeau Nov 2012 #144
You are making my point. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #154
No, you just can't comprehend mine. gcomeau Nov 2012 #159
It's so odd that you can't see that you're confirming what I said. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #162
No, you just cannot comprehend what he is saying. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #182
they can damage the larger Democratic effort, they can't win elections. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #192
OK, so let me get this straight Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #69
Marx famously said, Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #73
Um, you missed my point oh wise and great one. Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #74
Well, anyone who murdered other people was not following Jesus Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #79
You aren't serious, right? Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #90
Jesus was absolutely clear, you were to treat people as you would be treated, Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #92
So you can't be moral unless you have religion? Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #95
If a materialist acts morally they are not doing it from the basis of materialism Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #96
So then, conversely, from the point you make Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #100
Immoral acts are all based in selfishness, morality is effectively resisting selfishness Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #103
Does religion put a restraint on selfishness? trotsky Nov 2012 #121
I already pointed out that they do Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #155
Given your inability to refrain from personal attacks, I have decided to place you on Ignore. trotsky Nov 2012 #158
Nobody said that, Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #107
So you weren't following along either Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #110
You Got That Right Ligyron Nov 2012 #81
Geesh, one more cliche and you get an egg roll. Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #82
You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #180
How clueless do you have to be to think Stalin and Mao were, in the smallest way, motivated by "scie AlbertCat Nov 2012 #191
Lol, there are more literalists in this thread than in some churches. cbayer Nov 2012 #72
Yeah, hahahahaha Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #76
Please, if you are going to take a swipe at me, go for it. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #83
a couple thoughts Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #86
How typically arrogant of you and your gaggle of ivory tower academics skepticscott Nov 2012 #127
Graham was just punching a button for the GOP. jeepnstein Nov 2012 #77
As A believing Christian I think that Biblical Values mean to live your life with integrity. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #123
Biblical morality: It's okay to commit genocide, to murder two year-old children clutching ... GodlessBiker Nov 2012 #126
! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #128
Noah's arc is a fable Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #136
pretzel anyone? Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #143
Ah, so what parts of the bible are fables intaglio Nov 2012 #201
Unfortunately, the phrase has become code Warpy Nov 2012 #152
I agree. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #169
Wow! After all we have seen here Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #170
The Jewish conception of justice Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #171
Right, So the pagan Saxon concept of equality before the Law intaglio Nov 2012 #202
WRONG AGAIN, TMO!!!! "Biblical values" has not been used as code for the non-religious. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #183
Huh? Warpy Nov 2012 #185
Warpy, Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #199
Like this one? Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #203
judgement and intolerence Skittles Nov 2012 #176
Bingo, hit the nail on the head! EvolveOrConvolve Nov 2012 #184
Billy Graham is a respected evangelical who has helped millions of people turn their lives around. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #186
Give me a definition of "values" Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #200
Give me a definition of "values" AlbertCat Nov 2012 #204
Song of Solomon. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #205
Sorry Albert The Song of Solomon is about erotic love. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #208
Sorry Albert The Song of Solomon is about erotic love. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #209
"It's like you didn't even read a word I said" - AC, that is what is so frustrating! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #211
"A dirty poem."? Is that what sexuality is for you. Too bad. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #210
The Bible is one sicko, violent, fucked-up book. Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #212
Fundamentalists are easily spotted. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #213
Right. I'm a fundy. You found me out. Curses! Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #214
Give us a defintition of fundamentalism--not religious but just generic. Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #215
Someone who doesn't buy into irrational theological doctrines is not a fundamentalist. Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #216
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