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trotsky

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93. 46% of the 100% of Americans.

Reply to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #89)

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 12:02 PM

Oct 2012

Last edited Tue Oct 16, 2012, 12:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Add in ALL Jews (2%) and Muslims (1%) if you want to reach 78% of the total group. 46/78 is still a majority.

Your statement was factually wrong. Deal with it.

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Is Evolution Compatible With Religion? [View all] cbayer Oct 2012 OP

I can't understand why an omnipotent "God" could not do whatever HOWever s-he wills to. nt patrice Oct 2012 #1

I can't understand... gcomeau Nov 2012 #159

"you"? Perhaps you should begin with me by asking me whether I'm "sticking" anything on to science patrice Nov 2012 #164

That was a generic "you". gcomeau Nov 2012 #165

I fail to see why science should be concerned if it poses a threat to religion Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #2

I think the more appropriate question how the large number of creationists threaten science. cbayer Oct 2012 #3

They do not threaten science because science can stand on its own Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #7

Let me rephrase. cbayer Oct 2012 #10

I really do not see any religions slapping these people down Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #14

If religion is of no use to you, so be it. cbayer Oct 2012 #15

I never said religion is no use to me, way to change the discussion Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #19

Well, you said it was useless..... twice. cbayer Oct 2012 #21

Show me the quotes of where I said it was useless Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #22

Never mind. cbayer Oct 2012 #23

Translation skepticscott Oct 2012 #24

Yep. trotsky Oct 2012 #38

I see one of your stalkers showed up. Leontius Oct 2012 #33

They can't quit me. cbayer Oct 2012 #34

Who wants to "quit" you? skepticscott Oct 2012 #41

So it's "stalking" to point out that someone lied, trotsky Oct 2012 #39

Waiting for Curly Leontius Oct 2012 #42

Name-calling. trotsky Oct 2012 #43

Being human I grieve Christ everyday but I don't celebrate like some. Leontius Oct 2012 #46

And here I thought being a Christian meant you held yourself to a higher standard. trotsky Oct 2012 #56

But not quite like being called a liar when someone could not Leontius Oct 2012 #60

What? This is about YOUR behavior, that only YOU can control. trotsky Oct 2012 #61

And this is about your behavior past and continuing. Leontius Oct 2012 #63

So you are justified in your terrible behavior because you think someone else deserves it? trotsky Oct 2012 #64

Have you had enough time to identify my specific behavior that warranted your personal attacks? trotsky Oct 2012 #68

Hi, still waiting to find out why you think your attacks were justified. trotsky Oct 2012 #69

Have you figured out yet what I did to deserve punishment? trotsky Oct 2012 #70

I see. trotsky Oct 2012 #71

Exactly what was the implication of 'what use religion really is'? Leontius Oct 2012 #45

It was a question Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #47

f children are being taught creationism and told that evolution is false, that hurts science. AlbertCat Oct 2012 #79

It hurts our society Meshuga Oct 2012 #82

One of the best statements that has been made Leontius Oct 2012 #6

Thank you Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #8

Ding ding ding MAD Dave Oct 2012 #17

Thank you Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #20

I really like Victor Stenger. longship Oct 2012 #4

He does not think they are compatible, but doesn't really offer cbayer Oct 2012 #12

Why does there need to be a "solution" skepticscott Oct 2012 #25

Roman Catholics seem to have no problem with it Warpy Oct 2012 #5

Thank you Kalidurga Oct 2012 #9

Pierre Tielhard de Chardin, a Jesuit, was ordered by the pope to stop writing about Science & patrice Oct 2012 #13

I attended a Jesuit University as a non-Catholic, and I agree with your view of the Jesuits. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #26

Jesuits are my favorite order because they think and challenge. cbayer Oct 2012 #27

There was a blog post posted here today concerning myths about secularism. patrice Oct 2012 #32

I can think of someone Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #72

It takes more than philosophy. My last Pope was John XXIII. nt patrice Oct 2012 #85

Oh, the last pope I liked was John XXIII Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #87

He was also a paleontologist. okasha Oct 2012 #55

Fascinating guy! I've only read The Heart of Matter, and only once so far, great breadth & depth. patrice Oct 2012 #57

Vatican II Roman Catholics may find it not inconsistent with Transubstantiation. nt patrice Oct 2012 #11

Transubstantiation is wholly unrelated to evolution Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #73

Transubstantiation is wholly unrelated to reality. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #75

+1 :) n/t Silent3 Oct 2012 #81

to you . . . another name for such absolutism is Fundamentalist fascism. nt patrice Oct 2012 #83

Quite obviously, you do not know what "transubstantiation" means. Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #88

Quite obviously, you do not know what "reality" means. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #90

Catholics believe that transubstatiation is real Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #92

Sorry pal, but reality isn't bigoted. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #95

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #103

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the not-so-amazing christian apologist. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #106

I see that our meek, humble, loving Christian friend... trotsky Oct 2012 #111

Very proud, indeed. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #112

but it remains an open question if the rudeness as an accidental property of the poster Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #130

If I had two communion wafers in front of me... trotsky Oct 2012 #98

You need to use your "other ways of knowing." cleanhippie Oct 2012 #99

Faith is the evidence of things not seen Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #104

No, YOU prove it. YOu are the one that claims supernatural nonsense is real. Its your delusion, cleanhippie Oct 2012 #107

Faith is the evidence of things not seen AlbertCat Oct 2012 #119

Of course not Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #102

The point is that it looks exactly as if it's complete bunk? trotsky Oct 2012 #105

Or you could call it blasphemy . . . . Pick your authoritarian poison. patrice Oct 2012 #84

Agree, particularly with your last sentence. cbayer Oct 2012 #16

Believing that evolution was guided in some way skepticscott Oct 2012 #36

It does if one's assumptions are hierarchical/top-down, instead of from the "bottom" "up", IMO, a patrice Oct 2012 #58

Ignorant claptrap skepticscott Oct 2012 #65

Religion and evolution can be fully compatible. humblebum Oct 2012 #94

those that believe that evolution was guided in some way AlbertCat Oct 2012 #80

Bottom Line: The fact that an evolutionary process occurs is plainly obvious. humblebum Oct 2012 #96

the statement is completely subjective and non-provable. AlbertCat Oct 2012 #100

Actually it is. humblebum Oct 2012 #101

ad hoc AlbertCat Oct 2012 #108

Huge difference between "ad hoc" and "ad hoc argumentum" humblebum Oct 2012 #113

First, you would have to prove that something can come from nothing. Good luck. AlbertCat Oct 2012 #114

Been there done that. Just as you have created your own ad hoc definition of deity humblebum Oct 2012 #115

The ol' redefine "nothing" dodge! AlbertCat Oct 2012 #116

You appear to be the only one dodging here. humblebum Oct 2012 #117

The ol' "I'm rubber, you're glue" ploy AlbertCat Oct 2012 #118

Like I said your "nothing" is a something, and to substitute humblebum Oct 2012 #120

As for Christianity, God is seen as far removed from space and time AlbertCat Oct 2012 #121

Like I said your nothing is a something. humblebum Oct 2012 #122

Oh for crying out loud AlbertCat Oct 2012 #123

"Indeed, it shows why it's not possible to do so." - what a crock. humblebum Oct 2012 #124

If no one else has asked you Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #137

Here we go again AlbertCat Nov 2012 #142

^^^ exactly ^^^ MAD Dave Oct 2012 #18

Wouldn't it make for more intelligent conversation Thats my opinion Oct 2012 #48

No. okasha Oct 2012 #54

Just once Warpy Oct 2012 #62

Hey Warpy, what was the question?. Thats my opinion Oct 2012 #67

It would make for more intelligent conversation skepticscott Oct 2012 #66

I agree. I went to Catholic school for 12 years, and I learned about evolution MgtPA Oct 2012 #52

Nitpick gcomeau Nov 2012 #158

I know that and you know that Warpy Nov 2012 #161

Noted... -eom gcomeau Nov 2012 #162

As a Christian...I have never believed in the Genesis story of 6 days... Swede Atlanta Oct 2012 #28

I hope you were able to find a better, more progressive church and pastor for your Dad. cbayer Oct 2012 #29

He never established a new church home.... Swede Atlanta Oct 2012 #30

I'm sorry that you lost him. cbayer Oct 2012 #31

Many who are faithful Christians Thats my opinion Oct 2012 #35

Thank you so much skepticscott Oct 2012 #37

There appears to be a bias that makes that fact less of an issue to at least some evolutionary patrice Oct 2012 #59

How is evolution valid theologically? n/t Meshuga Oct 2012 #97

the only ones it's not compatible with is the christian fundies and maybe all all religious demosincebirth Oct 2012 #40

So will somebody that thinks Christianity is compatible with evolution moobu2 Oct 2012 #44

nobody I know on"religion" thinks that. See my response above. nt Thats my opinion Oct 2012 #49

Most christians are not literalists, that's how. cbayer Oct 2012 #50

thank you! duh! nt ncgrits Oct 2012 #51

No problemo Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #74

You are factually wrong with your first sentence. trotsky Oct 2012 #78

It might have helped if you had bothered reading what I wrote Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #89

46% of the 100% of Americans. trotsky Oct 2012 #93

I am a christian I believe in evolution. I just assume that God created us through this way. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #53

accept this as fact. AlbertCat Oct 2012 #109

I edited my post. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #110

Science and magic are incompatable. nt bowens43 Oct 2012 #76

Is anything compatible with religion? Zambero Oct 2012 #77

Religion, as a general idea, can be both compatible and incompatible with ANYTHING. 2ndAmForComputers Oct 2012 #86

I think that non-theistic religions such as Buddhism would have no problem Sam1 Oct 2012 #91

I grew up in an Anglican tradition Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #125

Why cant we credit God for creating the science of evolution? DCBob Nov 2012 #126

It's perfectly logical for many, not just you. cbayer Nov 2012 #128

Sorry, lie skepticscott Nov 2012 #155

Well that depends on who 'we' are, and what 'we' deem reasonable. HereSince1628 Nov 2012 #138

You can certainly do that. trotsky Nov 2012 #150

to me its logical.. DCBob Nov 2012 #166

But then you believe in a god that came from nothing, so you really haven't solved the problem... trotsky Nov 2012 #167

it just makes more logical sense to me that an intelligent God was always there.. DCBob Nov 2012 #168

It may make more sense to you... trotsky Nov 2012 #169

you are entitled to your opinion. DCBob Nov 2012 #170

As you are entitled to yours. trotsky Nov 2012 #174

never said my opinion was a fact. DCBob Nov 2012 #175

Actually, you started things off in that regard. trotsky Nov 2012 #180

huh?? DCBob Nov 2012 #181

Well, for starters, there was no "magical spontaneous eruption of the laws of the nature out..." cleanhippie Nov 2012 #171

Please explain how do you get from nothing to the universe we see today. DCBob Nov 2012 #172

Please show where anyone claims that but you. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #173

of course they dont because there is no explanation scientific or otherwise. DCBob Nov 2012 #176

So in other words, you made that up. Got it. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #177

Thanks for the insult. DCBob Nov 2012 #178

Wait a sec. You throw out a well-debunked Christian apologist argument and you find that insulting? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #179

Please explain how you get from "god" to the universe we see today. trotsky Nov 2012 #182

You could devise a religon that uses evolution as the tool of the diety, Agnosticsherbet Nov 2012 #127

Yes, of course it is Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #129

Beware: Reconciling American style religious beliefs with SDjack Nov 2012 #131

What are American style religious beliefs? cbayer Nov 2012 #132

What ever Billie Graham Cracker says it is. SDjack Nov 2012 #135

Only to some. US is a big tent and religion in the US is also a big tent. cbayer Nov 2012 #136

Rejection of evolution is mainly in Crackerstan. nt SDjack Nov 2012 #139

I'm not sure what you mean by Crackerstan, but it sounds like it might cbayer Nov 2012 #140

Here is a county level map of religious domination. SDjack Nov 2012 #160

I think you forgot your link. But I know what you are talking about. cbayer Nov 2012 #163

What the majority of American Christians believe. trotsky Nov 2012 #151

Pursue science as if God does not exist exboyfil Nov 2012 #133

Excellent way to express this difference. I think many scientists take exactly this approach. cbayer Nov 2012 #134

Which came first?? .......... evolution or religion?? Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #141

Evolution, clearly. cbayer Nov 2012 #143

So clearly then religion has to meld with evolution Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #144

Why would that be? cbayer Nov 2012 #145

Add together different elements Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #146

This makes no sense to me. It makes no difference at all which came first. cbayer Nov 2012 #147

Where to start ............ Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #148

So what you are saying is that it is possible for christians to understand that cbayer Nov 2012 #149

We agree on the first part. Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #152

Well, we agree. They are compatible and those that understand and accept scientific evidence cbayer Nov 2012 #153

I can not prove it but I think under certain circumstances they could evolve or change Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #154

So..... some things may be possible that one can not prove. cbayer Nov 2012 #156

And I fail to understand what you mean by that statement Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #157

Simply ignore anything in your holy book that conflicts with the scientific evidence... Bradical79 Nov 2012 #183

Irrelevant point... rexcat Nov 2012 #184