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Xipe Totec

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27. You don't have to read the bible to be an atheist
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 10:01 PM
Aug 2012

You don't even have to acknowledge that the bible exists.

Atheism is an internally consistent philosophical frame. It does not require the bible as a basis, a metric, a reference, or an alternative explanation of the universe.

Poking holes in Genesis is an amusing pastime for some. But discrediting the story of genesis is not a validation requirement for atheism.



st. augustine, that well known scientist with no catholic bias lol nt msongs Aug 2012 #1
Was Genesis written by scientists? rug Aug 2012 #2
To the romanist who wrote this: Dawson Leery Aug 2012 #3
A romanist? rug Aug 2012 #4
This author has made direct attack on non-believers. Dawson Leery Aug 2012 #5
Actually, it's an attack on the atheist combox troll and meme-maker and not non-believers. rug Aug 2012 #6
Of course, he (nor you) really do specify what separates... eqfan592 Aug 2012 #16
Well, as a taxonomic start, I surmise the latter do not frequent reddit, among other places. rug Aug 2012 #18
Let me help you on that one - tolerance, compassion and humility separate us. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #88
May I ask you something? trotsky Aug 2012 #107
Why are you asking me this? Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #108
Leaving the hatred of the Phelps group aside... trotsky Aug 2012 #109
Oh poor Trotsky. Won't she talk to you? Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #110
No, she didn't skepticscott Aug 2012 #115
She called the legislators in Indiana who voted for the bill "a bunch of dumbasses" Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #124
Oh you've met them all? skepticscott Aug 2012 #126
Do you just feign stupidity in order to conduct your smear campaigns? Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #127
Irrelevant non-answer, made even sillier by your puffery skepticscott Aug 2012 #128
I find it humorous being shunned! No worries here! trotsky Aug 2012 #123
Maybe you'd care to substantiate your personal attacks Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #125
Tell you what: you identify the personal attack first. trotsky Aug 2012 #132
Oh, you have them bookmarked. Aren't you precious. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #133
Absolutely. trotsky Aug 2012 #134
All you have pointed out is your own intolerance, vindictiveness and pettiness. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #135
Maybe not so much "hard" as "dumb." immoderate Aug 2012 #7
Are you saying Augustine was "dumb"? rug Aug 2012 #9
Not at all. He was very good at forming dumb questions. immoderate Aug 2012 #12
That's much better. rug Aug 2012 #15
Actually, I think the questions were being called dumb. eqfan592 Aug 2012 #13
"an amazingly insulting manner" rug Aug 2012 #17
He's also a bigoted homophobe. trotsky Aug 2012 #40
Genesis, the garden of eden, the whole story...... PDJane Aug 2012 #8
That sounds familiar. rug Aug 2012 #10
Religion was religion was primitive man's law. Dawson Leery Aug 2012 #11
Genesis is a symbolic play on human consciousness and self awareness. immoderate Aug 2012 #14
"we can destroy all life" - eh? We can destroy human civilization for sure. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #35
If you were a man and realized that God was a male bipod who created man in his image (except for AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #77
Funny edhopper Aug 2012 #19
Augustine is low hanging fruit muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #20
Do you mean Dust Man and Living One? rug Aug 2012 #21
If there weren't so many skepticscott Aug 2012 #22
. eqfan592 Aug 2012 #24
+1,000 Scuba Aug 2012 #60
I missed this post in my first review of the thread. trotsky Aug 2012 #72
Atheists ask these hard questions every day ... DreamGypsy Aug 2012 #23
Excellent post and great response. trotsky Aug 2012 #41
An updated answer to one of the questions.... DreamGypsy Feb 2013 #136
Genesis was apparently written around 600 BCE, or at least then received its last major edits. dimbear Aug 2012 #25
so until we come around to accepting absurd nonsense as a given we can't get to these Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #26
You don't have to read the bible to be an atheist Xipe Totec Aug 2012 #27
St. Augustine was a self-hating neurotic. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #28
I want to know where those other people came from that Cain went to live with Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #29
Why the fuck are you linking to homophobic bloggers, especially that cesspool that is Patheos' Humanist_Activist Aug 2012 #30
Another one of those hard questions atheists don't ask. n/t dimbear Aug 2012 #31
It's rather ironic skepticscott Aug 2012 #32
Can't ask what believers believe. It is very rude to do that. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #34
Sorry, I don't respond to bullshit at 3 a.m. rug Aug 2012 #44
What's actually ironic Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2012 #62
"rather than addressing the questions" - what questions? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #63
Yeah, that's what I was wondering as well. eqfan592 Aug 2012 #64
And those are only revelant to someone trying to show the Bible is worth reading muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #66
where did god put the water when he was making land? Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #67
Maybe he crossed his legs muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #69
You might first try to show us skepticscott Aug 2012 #73
And still no answer skepticscott Aug 2012 #129
Oops. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #36
Busted! trotsky Aug 2012 #39
Why don't you, trotsky? rug Aug 2012 #45
I've tried many times to ask you to just clearly state your position. trotsky Aug 2012 #55
I see you have been paying attention. rug Aug 2012 #56
To gay Catholics who want to get married, there isn't. trotsky Aug 2012 #57
I take that question more seriously from a gay Catholic than from you. rug Aug 2012 #58
You must know a lot about cheap Internet baiting tactics. trotsky Aug 2012 #59
I'm a keen observer. rug Aug 2012 #61
Look at the crimes of the church too. Dawson Leery Aug 2012 #75
Why the fuck don't you discuss the topic at hand? rug Aug 2012 #42
fuck yeah! I want to know where god put all that water when he was making land. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #68
QED rug Aug 2012 #83
I'm sure if I trolled Stormfront or another hate website, I can find a post or two... Humanist_Activist Aug 2012 #84
I see you equate the Patheos Catholic Channel to Stormfront. rug Aug 2012 #85
Most Catholics are better than their Church, just not the ones on Patheos... Humanist_Activist Aug 2012 #87
That's your opinion and doesn't even come close to your bigoted comparison to Stormfront. rug Aug 2012 #89
I compare hatred with hatred, they don't call for homosexuals to be beaten to death... Humanist_Activist Aug 2012 #90
Ok, compare "Catholic hatred" to Nazi hatred. rug Aug 2012 #92
If you want me to go there, many Catholics supported the Nazis... Humanist_Activist Aug 2012 #94
Lots of people supported Nazis but that's not the question. rug Aug 2012 #95
Both devalue the individuals, their relationships, and oppose equal rights of the same... Humanist_Activist Aug 2012 #97
That's a mighty load of bullshit. rug Aug 2012 #100
You are the one who brought up Nazis, I mentioned stormfront, should I have went with the FRC... Humanist_Activist Aug 2012 #101
Ah, Stormfront. Silly me. I thought you meant nazis. rug Aug 2012 #103
Don't roll your eyes, the difference is in degree, not type. n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2012 #105
How considerate of you to nuance the degrees of bigotry between nazis and neo-nazis. rug Aug 2012 #106
*yawn* Still at it eh, rug? mr blur Aug 2012 #33
Given the church he wholeheartedly supports... trotsky Aug 2012 #38
You have selective reading. rug Aug 2012 #43
One might ask the same question of atheists. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #91
Yeah, gee...why would the people on this site skepticscott Aug 2012 #93
Have another one on me! Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #96
Guess those are more hard questions skepticscott Aug 2012 #102
LOL trotsky Aug 2012 #37
You should be more precise. rug Aug 2012 #46
Nope. trotsky Aug 2012 #47
Then you must have missed his first sentence. rug Aug 2012 #48
So are you asserting that whenever the author uses the term "atheists" in the article... trotsky Aug 2012 #49
It's very clear who he's talking to. rug Aug 2012 #50
Do you mean "target"? trotsky Aug 2012 #51
No I mean precisely what I said: target audience. rug Aug 2012 #52
What you precisely said was taget audience. trotsky Aug 2012 #53
You failed to mention I also typed "four" rather than "your". rug Aug 2012 #54
I don't think anyone is squirming in this thread muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #65
Oh, do you prefer cartoons? rug Aug 2012 #82
and fucking magnets, how do they work? frylock Aug 2012 #70
Were there magnets in Biblical times? DavidL Aug 2012 #86
I really wish this guy had made his points without the atheist bashing. cbayer Aug 2012 #71
He HAS no point worth making skepticscott Aug 2012 #74
Good observation! DavidL Aug 2012 #79
But of course some here skepticscott Aug 2012 #81
You have a bright future writing for The Onion. Speck Tater Aug 2012 #76
I was wondering if this thread was a joke or something. DavidL Aug 2012 #78
If everyone kept their beliefs or non beliefs to themselves this would be a much more peaceful world The_Casual_Observer Aug 2012 #80
Letter, Bishop Julian of Eclanum to Augustine... onager Aug 2012 #98
Julian was a Pelagian who asserted the doctrine of the limited depravity of human nature. rug Aug 2012 #99
No need for a "more worthy opponent," thanks. onager Aug 2012 #130
It's a poor illustration of a poorer point. rug Aug 2012 #131
Yeah, it's a shame we atheists don't fully appreciate... Silent3 Aug 2012 #104
A large percentage of bible beleavers in the US take the Bible literally cpwm17 Aug 2012 #111
From the data I have seen, your statement is completely inaccurate. cbayer Aug 2012 #112
30% is still "a large percentage" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #113
I don't consider 30% a large percentage, though not insignificant. cbayer Aug 2012 #114
I guess that's a matter of opinion. eqfan592 Aug 2012 #119
True that, but if Romney gets 30% of the vote, I'm not going to call that a cbayer Aug 2012 #120
And it's so best if skepticscott Aug 2012 #121
So what's the difference between skepticscott Aug 2012 #122
It's also a very vocal percentage. eqfan592 Aug 2012 #118
30% is a large percentage cpwm17 Aug 2012 #116
You are correct and I agree that it is not an insignificant number cbayer Aug 2012 #117
This is a very arrogant sneering essay LeftishBrit Feb 2013 #137
It may well be. rug Feb 2013 #138
No, he is not critiquing just those who 'sweep all Christians or all believers into one group' LeftishBrit Feb 2013 #139
No he doesn't.. rug Feb 2013 #140
It's from an arrogant, sneering RWer, who calls abortion 'our ongoing holocaust' muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #141
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