Religion

edhopper

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36. If it were a democratic institution

Tue Aug 7, 2012, 04:50 PM

Aug 2012

I could see that.
But the Church does not even consider the congregation as part of the Church, they are the flock. it is only the Clergy that is really the Church and they do what ever they need to protect themselves. What the churchgoers want or think is immaterial to them. THEY are the ones to decide on all things pertaining to God.
I think it has long past been of any value in the modern world, and their pattern of crimes and corruption just make them less worth remaining a viable entity.

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Poll shows Catholics side with bishops on religious liberty, but warm to Obama [View all] rug Aug 2012 OP

Again, I will not be stepping foot inside a Catholic Church Dawson Leery Aug 2012 #1

OK rug Aug 2012 #2

Google: "manhattan declaration" Dawson Leery Aug 2012 #4

Thanks, I never heard of them. rug Aug 2012 #7

And this was copycatted by a British group in 2010 as the 'Westminster Declaration' LeftishBrit Aug 2012 #18

Wow, that's nearly identical. rug Aug 2012 #25

Even evangelicals shouldn't be broad-brushed ButterflyBlood Aug 2012 #16

Hmmm.... that's a mixed message. cbayer Aug 2012 #3

Yeah, but it's easy to be a non-catholic right now, MineralMan Aug 2012 #6

Religion is a highly personal choice. Not you, not I, not anyone gets to cbayer Aug 2012 #9

I tell nobody anything about their religious choices. MineralMan Aug 2012 #10

If someone is thinking of leaving their church and asks your advice, that's one thing. cbayer Aug 2012 #11

You are confusing me with someone else. MineralMan Aug 2012 #12

Certainly it is different. Dawson Leery Aug 2012 #13

Wow, that's some incredible distortion in order to gin up outrage. trotsky Aug 2012 #19

One question.... Fix The Stupid Aug 2012 #20

Uh oh. trotsky Aug 2012 #21

Of course parents are making choices for their kids, cbayer Aug 2012 #23

So it's just coincidence that far and away most adults "freely choose"... trotsky Aug 2012 #24

Not this parent atreides1 Aug 2012 #27

That's why in some states you have to be a certain age to drive, to drink, to join the military and demosincebirth Aug 2012 #29

Hmmm. Lots of straw in that reply. Fix The Stupid Aug 2012 #30

You know, if I answer you, I think it will start a process like banging my head against the wall. demosincebirth Aug 2012 #37

Well, educate me then... Fix The Stupid Aug 2012 #38

That's a rather patronizing post. rug Aug 2012 #14

Thank you! Freddie Aug 2012 #15

Not really. It's all in the framing of the message. rug Aug 2012 #8

They are political business and behave like a lobbyists FarPoint Aug 2012 #5

Since when did "religious liberty" get redefined to include forcing others to live by your beliefs? Humanist_Activist Aug 2012 #17

Religious bigotry is being relabeled as "religious liberty"? cleanhippie Aug 2012 #22

Oh FFS. Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #26

Divide among even religous Catholics and Bishops HockeyMom Aug 2012 #28

Would you care to make a list of religious liberties and/or that are at risk?? Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #31

What a fake canard edhopper Aug 2012 #32

Agree, but I don't think the general membership is going to fall for it. cbayer Aug 2012 #33

Hope not edhopper Aug 2012 #34

There has been some discussion of that lately. cbayer Aug 2012 #35

If it were a democratic institution edhopper Aug 2012 #36