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Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? [View all] MineralMan Apr 2018 OP

Oh my THIS one, I am gonna LOVE this one! Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #1

What religion or community didn't support slavery janterry Apr 2018 #2

This +1 bronxiteforever Apr 2018 #3

It's the same question, actually. MineralMan Apr 2018 #4

Because the Bible has at least two kinds of slavery. Igel Apr 2018 #38

Those justifications were argued quite passionately by Southern pastors Major Nikon Apr 2018 #44

And also fought against it. SQUEE Apr 2018 #113

You'd think that while Jesus allegedly walked the earth... trotsky Apr 2018 #5

Yes, you'd think so. MineralMan Apr 2018 #18

Crazy that an all-powerful god would rely on such an important message... trotsky Apr 2018 #22

Yeah, well, see... MineralMan Apr 2018 #23

Well, see, I don't think any such thing happened, actually. MineralMan Apr 2018 #189

The Gospels were written after year 100, but the Copts already established Christianity Kolesar Apr 2018 #187

You keep forgetting the mysterious ways clause Major Nikon Apr 2018 #45

Religion - not just Christianity, btw - is often used as a justification The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #6

Yes, indeed. I'm discussing Christianity, because it is MineralMan Apr 2018 #10

Christianity has never been a monolith. It probably has more splinter factions/denominations hlthe2b Apr 2018 #7

You are correct. There is no uniform Christianity. MineralMan Apr 2018 #14

Many of the leaders in the abolition movement MichMary Apr 2018 #8

Yes, and many supporters of slavery were Christian, as well. MineralMan Apr 2018 #11

True Christians MichMary Apr 2018 #13

So, apparently, a Christian can support slavery and feel no guilt. MineralMan Apr 2018 #15

Yeah, pretty much MichMary Apr 2018 #17

And yet, that label is worn proudly by many. MineralMan Apr 2018 #19

You asked the question MichMary Apr 2018 #24

It seems to mean something very different to each Christian, too. nt. Mariana Apr 2018 #21

Certainly true n/t MichMary Apr 2018 #25

JW say no true christian can vote let alone be involved in politics, and I bet they Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #53

There's scripture to back up just about any stance Mariana Apr 2018 #62

Vague? One could conclude their basing it off of the very basics of what it is to follow Jesus Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #75

I think they're vague. Mariana Apr 2018 #124

Don't forget the great evangelizer's advice in Ephesians 6: 5 ... malchickiwick Apr 2018 #9

Yes. Paul had no problem with slavery. MineralMan Apr 2018 #12

Who cares what Jesus or Paul thought since as you point out there is no way of really knowing, Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #55

Some claim to believe the scriptures, as written. MineralMan Apr 2018 #59

So you actually know Christians today who support slavery? ollie10 Apr 2018 #127

Oh hell yes, if they could make it legal there are plenty of them in this country and they all Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #140

Do you have any documentation to support your claim that.... ollie10 Apr 2018 #142

Mountains of evidence christians have used their religion to justify slavery since the beginning Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #144

As I pointed out.... ollie10 Apr 2018 #145

Virtually all Christian churches have specifically condemned slavery. Mariana Apr 2018 #150

As I pointed out yesterday I am no longer responding to you. ollie10 Apr 2018 #152

Maybe some other Christian will answer it. Mariana Apr 2018 #154

As I said before ollie10 Apr 2018 #155

As you like. Mariana Apr 2018 #156

no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #158

But you just did respond to her. MineralMan Apr 2018 #157

No, my response was "no comment" ollie10 Apr 2018 #159

Your personal issues are just that. Mariana Apr 2018 #161

no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #162

The ignore function works very well, you know. Mariana Apr 2018 #164

no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #165

While virtually all Christian churches specifically condemn slavery today Mariana Apr 2018 #166

no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #167

Stalking, by the way, Mariana Apr 2018 #168

no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #169

That's cool, Ollie. You keep right on exemplifying Christianity. Mariana Apr 2018 #170

no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #171

Also from Peter the Apostle, and directly relevant to the OP: Mariana Apr 2018 #172

no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #173

No comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #179

LOL! You felt the need to not comment on that post twice? Mariana Apr 2018 #181

no comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #182

"If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, Mariana Apr 2018 #185

If you have no comment, just MineralMan Apr 2018 #176

No comment ollie10 Apr 2018 #178

I see what you did there. marylandblue Apr 2018 #174

It think it was done righteously. Mariana Apr 2018 #175

Yes. marylandblue Apr 2018 #177

I already know the answer, of course. Everyone does. Mariana Apr 2018 #160

Or any other of mankind's control schemes for that matter. SQUEE Apr 2018 #188

Dr. King is often used asan example of religion doing good Lordquinton Apr 2018 #16

Racial equality was Dr. King's mission. MineralMan Apr 2018 #20

Money... NeoGreen Apr 2018 #26

Might have something to do with the omnibenevolent man-god totally failing to address the issue. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #27

Yeah but... NeoGreen Apr 2018 #28

Not just slavery, but contracted servitude where Ilsa Apr 2018 #29

Slavery, or support of the institution, is why we have a Southern Baptist Convention today Docreed2003 Apr 2018 #30

Nowadays the Southern Baptists are very involved in right wing politics. LuvNewcastle Apr 2018 #73

Molasses to Rum to Slaves elleng Apr 2018 #31

I have been to church for decades. ollie10 Apr 2018 #32

39 out of 80. Nearly 50%. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #33

What's it to you? MineralMan Apr 2018 #36

Rude? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #39

Theists have simplistic beliefs and behave childishly? Mariana Apr 2018 #42

Guilty conscience? Major Nikon Apr 2018 #46

One could conclude a goat is being got Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #56

A Caprine Caper, Eh? MineralMan Apr 2018 #58

Southern Baptist heaven05 Apr 2018 #34

each and every one of them? ollie10 Apr 2018 #35

I was a member heaven05 Apr 2018 #37

They will let any ignoramus be a SB preacher. lpbk2713 Apr 2018 #43

What a sad, ugly story. That you were treated that way speaks MineralMan Apr 2018 #49

I was surprised, shocked, angry and very disturbed heaven05 Apr 2018 #52

I can only imagine. MineralMan Apr 2018 #57

true heaven05 Apr 2018 #60

An enormous straw construction. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #40

Your post is an excellent example Major Nikon Apr 2018 #47

The 11th Commandment is also much observed. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #65

So you are just assuming all since you feel so persecuted Major Nikon Apr 2018 #66

I do not feel persecuted. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #67

Then why do you whine incessantly about it? Major Nikon Apr 2018 #68

I am observing, and asking for comments. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #69

If I were to guess... Major Nikon Apr 2018 #70

I am drawing tentative conclusions. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #71

My own observation is you seem immune to new information Major Nikon Apr 2018 #72

Interesting that you should say that. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #74

I suspect your observation lens is distorted by victimism Major Nikon Apr 2018 #89

I suspect the same of others here. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #121

Sure, that would be the imaginary 12th commandment Major Nikon Apr 2018 #123

What method have you used... tonedevil Apr 2018 #122

It seems to be an entirely subjective decision on his part Mariana Apr 2018 #125

The reason Southern Baptist is even a thing is over slavery Major Nikon Apr 2018 #48

while I did find heaven05 Apr 2018 #51

They have been on the wrong side of history for over 100 years Major Nikon Apr 2018 #54

The Bible clearly supports slavery. Mariana Apr 2018 #41

Yes, it did, and does still. The words remain in scripture. MineralMan Apr 2018 #50

So how many Christians do you know who own slaves? ollie10 Apr 2018 #77

I know none, of course. Slavery is illegal. MineralMan Apr 2018 #78

Thank God! ollie10 Apr 2018 #79

You need to get out more Cartoonist Apr 2018 #134

So you say there is slavery in CA? I thought it was a liberal state. ollie10 Apr 2018 #137

We are Cartoonist Apr 2018 #139

Christian churches have strongly come out against slavery.... ollie10 Apr 2018 #143

There is slavery everywhere. MineralMan Apr 2018 #147

yes. but that doesn't show the connection between supporting slavery and the christian church ollie10 Apr 2018 #148

My original post was stated in the past tense. MineralMan Apr 2018 #149

You have said that you are not interested in the teachings in biblical day.... ollie10 Apr 2018 #151

I know how things were in biblical days of the past. MineralMan Apr 2018 #153

Vanity, Greed, Malice and Avarice mentality when it comes to Money. "consumed in material measure" Civic Justice Apr 2018 #61

Because the people who invented Christianity wanted JNelson6563 Apr 2018 #63

Yeah...sure... MineralMan Apr 2018 #64

Because Christians never enslaved each other, only foreigners. DetlefK Apr 2018 #76

First, most of the slaves in the US were Christians owned by other Christians. Mariana Apr 2018 #82

Blog slacktivist at patheos has many posts about this bobbieinok Apr 2018 #80

I think it has more to do with the mindset than biblical quotes. Doodley Apr 2018 #81

Why did so many of our founding fathers, support, or at least HopeAgain Apr 2018 #83

That's a very good question, isn't it. MineralMan Apr 2018 #86

Institutional history can not be considered HopeAgain Apr 2018 #91

Slavery has always been wrong. MineralMan Apr 2018 #95

Yes, with your modern outlook, there's no question. HopeAgain Apr 2018 #99

It is a purely ethical outlook. MineralMan Apr 2018 #101

But sometimes, stating that rule HopeAgain Apr 2018 #107

It's purely a theoretical and philosophical thing. MineralMan Apr 2018 #110

And I believe that is your experience HopeAgain Apr 2018 #112

There was a fundamental shift between in morality between 1800 and 1900 marylandblue Apr 2018 #163

About the New Testament jes06c Apr 2018 #84

That may be true. MineralMan Apr 2018 #85

Are you familiar with the Q text? HopeAgain Apr 2018 #93

I am. It doesn't exist in any written form. MineralMan Apr 2018 #97

Pretty much all of archeology HopeAgain Apr 2018 #100

Not really. Much of it is supported by physical evidence, MineralMan Apr 2018 #104

See I'm not so much interested in it from the viewpoint HopeAgain Apr 2018 #105

Well, I'm not that interested in it at all, really. MineralMan Apr 2018 #109

And as you might guess HopeAgain Apr 2018 #111

"an early Christianity that was very inwardly focused and grounded in love, empathy and decency" trotsky Apr 2018 #120

do you have any moral flaws? ollie10 Apr 2018 #138

Yes I'm aware jes06c Apr 2018 #102

The end of the world was yesterday and still no Jesus Major Nikon Apr 2018 #94

Odd, that, eh? MineralMan Apr 2018 #96

Almost all organized religion operates on the principle of conveniently unverifiable promise Major Nikon Apr 2018 #92

Interesting theory ollie10 Apr 2018 #128

Slavery in Biblical times was different, I've been told catrose Apr 2018 #87

Different in that there were different regulations. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #88

The rules varied but yes it was very different Exultant Democracy Apr 2018 #90

True! catrose Apr 2018 #103

Islamic Slavery was very different too Exultant Democracy Apr 2018 #106

So this sub thread is basically arguing that Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #183

So it seems. Slavery is slavery. MineralMan Apr 2018 #184

Fredrick Douglass made it clear not all slavery was equally horrible Exultant Democracy May 2018 #190

An interesting effort to immunize a specious Voltaire2 May 2018 #191

Denying Fredrick Douglass agency and hard earned expertise is indefensible. Exultant Democracy May 2018 #192

This entire line is strawman rhetoric Major Nikon May 2018 #193

You must not have read their post before you read the first line of mine. Exultant Democracy May 2018 #194

Your list of logical fallacies is growing Major Nikon May 2018 #195

You should work on basic reading comprehension before Exultant Democracy May 2018 #196

For those who are keeping count, you just added two more Major Nikon May 2018 #197

You can post a link to wikipedia, what an accomplishment. Exultant Democracy May 2018 #198

You can post a quote from Douglas that supports Voltaire2 May 2018 #200

That sentence does not say Mariana May 2018 #199

Wrong TlalocW Apr 2018 #108

In reality, we don't actually know how people lived back then MineralMan Apr 2018 #116

Whoever told you that lied to you Mariana Apr 2018 #186

Why did christian slave owners develop the most systematically brutal and sadistic form of slavery Exultant Democracy Apr 2018 #98

That's a question I'm unable to answer, but one I've asked, too. MineralMan Apr 2018 #114

Why are so many poc Christians? Cartoonist Apr 2018 #136

The same reason so many white people are Christians in the US. Mariana Apr 2018 #146

Might as well change "did" to "do." Christians still DO support it. Freelancer Apr 2018 #115

Well, economical slavery is somewhat different than chattel slavery. MineralMan Apr 2018 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Apr 2018 #118

As I said, it's a different discussion. MineralMan Apr 2018 #119

Money has been more important than Jesus to most Christians. no_hypocrisy Apr 2018 #126

I'm afraid you're right on that. MineralMan Apr 2018 #129

Then why do so many of them eagerly put what little they have in the collection plate? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #130

Prosperity Gospel. MineralMan Apr 2018 #131

I don't think that mentality is outside the mainstream. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #132

In some cases, Prosperity Gospel ministers need CONVICTIONS, MineralMan Apr 2018 #133

No argument there. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #135

Yes, there are victimizers and victims. MineralMan Apr 2018 #141

Beats me. My Christian ancestors opposed slavery, especially the kind they saw in the USA. raging moderate Apr 2018 #180