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marylandblue

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13. I think where the Enlightenment made the break

Reply to Voltaire2 (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 20, 2018, 01:42 PM

Jan 2018

is that took all of these earlier trends and turned them into a complete and secular social movement.

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The tenets of the Enlightenment in Europe arose from Christian thought. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #1

Of course the Enlightenment in Europe rose from Christian thought marylandblue Jan 2018 #2

Glad to recommend. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #3

Breaking from the Pope is more of a Reformation thing marylandblue Jan 2018 #5

The Reformation was huge. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #6

It was more or less the end of more than 1000 years of intellectual stagnation. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #10

I think where the Enlightenment made the break marylandblue Jan 2018 #13

Indeed. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #15

"All are manifestations of tribalism and all are an essential part of the human experience" Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #8

Previously cited. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #16

Where? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #21

You forgot. trotsky Jan 2018 #22

Nice framing. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #26

Nice framing. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #32

Well when I so perfectly describe your hypocrisy, trotsky Jan 2018 #33

You describe only your own narrative. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #36

I will let you think that. trotsky Jan 2018 #38

Almost a royal answer. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #39

Yes, I am feeling generous today. trotsky Jan 2018 #42

Nice try. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #25

As in a nice attempt to get you to justify your unqualified assertions? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #31

Nice attempt at framing. trotsky Jan 2018 #34

Really? edhopper Jan 2018 #9

So did the dark ages. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #29

On the manifestation of tribalism thing marylandblue Jan 2018 #4

Tribalism is essential for a species that requires the group for survival. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #7

Tribalism invented deities and religions to preserve itself. MineralMan Jan 2018 #12

Tribalism is no longer necessary and it is not necessarily instinctual marylandblue Jan 2018 #14

Tribalism is one manifestation of society. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #17

So you agree that tribalism is not essential? marylandblue Jan 2018 #18

Society is essential. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #19

Just because tribalism has always been with us, doesn't mean it always will be marylandblue Jan 2018 #20

Tribalism is a manifestation of the group. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #27

You have made your definition of tribalism so broad marylandblue Jan 2018 #44

Tribalism is one manifestation of human unity. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #46

Please provide a definition of tribalism marylandblue Jan 2018 #47

The family is the smallest social unit. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #48

Fine, then circling back to religion marylandblue Jan 2018 #49

Religion is one example of a social unit. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #50

if people may form bona fide group identities without religion marylandblue Jan 2018 #51

I agree it is possible to imagine such a society. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #52

He didn't define it Lordquinton Jan 2018 #53

Your definition of "tribe" is "equivalent to a village"? Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #55

Keep trying. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #57

Here: Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #59

If othering is so bad... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #23

I did not say good or bad. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #28

No, you observe what you *think* is apparent. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #30

Why did your creator make us that way? trotsky Jan 2018 #35

Why are humans interdependent? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #37

That is not what I asked. trotsky Jan 2018 #40

So we apparently agree that humans are social creatures. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #41

You believe in a creator. trotsky Jan 2018 #43

You are attempting to judge the Creator by your own incomplete guillaumeb Jan 2018 #45

No, I'm just asking a question. trotsky Jan 2018 #54

No, you were making a statement disguised as a question. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #56

#35. "Why did your creator make us that way?" That's a question. trotsky Jan 2018 #58

I'm glad you recognize belief in god as just another form of tribalism... trotsky Jan 2018 #24

And today, the religious right in this country is trying MineralMan Jan 2018 #11