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marylandblue

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156. A better example is some of the horrible brutes of the past

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:01 PM

Dec 2017

Andrew Jackson, for example. He comitted genocide against the Indians, damaged the American economy by ending the Bank of the United States, and helped perpetuate slavery. For this he was reelected, died an honorable death and put on the $20 bill.

Or Ghenghis Khan who completely destroyed entire cities that would not submit to him. No Karma for his crimes. He built the world's largest empire.

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Where have you looked for God, and what were you looking for? [View all] guillaumeb Dec 2017 OP

Look within saidsimplesimon Dec 2017 #1

Congratulations on your 2,222nd post. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #2

thank you, saidsimplesimon Dec 2017 #3

But a human looking within,.will of course find human things Bretton Garcia Dec 2017 #61

Sometimes to everyone's peril. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #181

Why don't you tell us what to look for? trotsky Dec 2017 #4

What can I tell you? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #6

You said I had a bad teacher, and that's why I'm an atheist. trotsky Dec 2017 #19

Did I say you had a bad teacher, or was it a possibility? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #20

I misheard nothing. trotsky Dec 2017 #21

Yes, you actaully did. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #22

No, I actually did not. That was an earlier post. trotsky Dec 2017 #23

No, you still misread. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #24

That is your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it. trotsky Dec 2017 #25

I agree. Others will judge. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #26

Great! So now that's settled, trotsky Dec 2017 #49

So, you gonna find where my faults are or not? trotsky Dec 2017 #160

And WHY are we supposed to be looking for it? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #162

I said nothing of the kind. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #163

I see atheism as neither. trotsky Dec 2017 #165

No, I do not. That is your misperception. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #167

My "misperception" of what you expressly stated in your OP? trotsky Dec 2017 #168

Again, you misperceive. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #169

So instead of falling back to your sorry, lame-ass "your narrative" bullshit, why don't you clarify? trotsky Dec 2017 #170

I asked the questions to illustrate my argument. An argument I have made many times here. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #171

Your questions all beg the most important question: trotsky Dec 2017 #172

Faith is what is required. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #173

I don't have to disprove it. trotsky Dec 2017 #179

No, but we can prove whether the universe requires a creator, or whether it bears the toolmarks of AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #218

Your statement is totally unprovable. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #224

Be specific. Which part? AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #225

All of it. It is an opinion. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #226

Do you just not read qualifying statements or what? AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #230

As to opinion, this is one of yours: guillaumeb Dec 2017 #231

That's not an opinion. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #232

That was a shitty thing to say by the way. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #182

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You're not making a lot of sense, you know. MineralMan Dec 2017 #207

Post count and content suggest that person is not here to make sense or contribute meaningfully. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #209

FancyMonkeyBrain believes he knows all. trotsky Dec 2017 #212

No doubt. MineralMan Dec 2017 #214

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #215

Religious leaders in the Bible try to teach faith constantly Bretton Garcia Dec 2017 #62

I am old, but not old enough to be in the Bible. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #67

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Um, wat? n/t trotsky Dec 2017 #208

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Wats your point, monkey brain? Anything to contribute to the conversation? marble falls Dec 2017 #211

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So. Where have you looked for "god", and what were you looking for, monkeybrain? marble falls Dec 2017 #216

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Pshaw. You have nothing to add. marble falls Dec 2017 #219

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Looks more like a reading comprehension problem to me. What "sounds" are you experiencing? marble falls Dec 2017 #221

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Why are you so hostile and rude? marble falls Dec 2017 #223

No need to look for one. Others put their deities up for consideration MineralMan Dec 2017 #5

I can draw many conclusions. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #7

You can draw anything you like, Guillaume. MineralMan Dec 2017 #8

Simply trying to help out. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #10

No, you're not, Guillaume. MineralMan Dec 2017 #14

You know very little about me, other than my first name. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #15

No, you were not being sincere. You were trying to game me. MineralMan Dec 2017 #16

I read your other post. And I understand the anger. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #17

Fuck that, OK? MineralMan Dec 2017 #18

Actually, I think he is baiting me marylandblue Dec 2017 #45

You are incorrect. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #78

ok, thanks. marylandblue Dec 2017 #83

Ah, the angry atheist meme Lordquinton Dec 2017 #74

Ridiculous. We all get angry. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #189

You found it! Lordquinton Dec 2017 #194

And what of all of the angry responses from non-theists here? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #196

I literally just explained it to you Lordquinton Dec 2017 #197

And what of my last question? eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #198

What question? Lordquinton Dec 2017 #229

Here you are again, suggesting the problem is with the other person in the conversation. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #184

Here YOU go again, insisting that you know my motivation. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #190

I didn't say a word about your MOTIVE. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #201

Nothing to find WhiteTara Dec 2017 #119

A conclusion based solely on your own thoughts. I understand. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #187

If God is everything WhiteTara Dec 2017 #191

Jesus suggested praying in secret, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #192

Perhaps you can help me find the invisible dragon my garage. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #183

You have decided for yourself, based on your won feelings. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #188

Here you go again marylandblue Dec 2017 #193

Agreed. I should have qualified my post. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #202

False. I have not decided at all. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #200

#4 Cartoonist Dec 2017 #9

Assume for the argument that God exists. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #12

If God is omnipotent Cartoonist Dec 2017 #33

You claimed that I said God cannot communicate, when I actually said: guillaumeb Dec 2017 #38

Why ask the question then? Cartoonist Dec 2017 #43

Why did you misframe it? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #66

There is another reason Cartoonist Dec 2017 #69

Perhaps you should have asked why I wrote what I did, rather than misframe what guillaumeb Dec 2017 #70

Think about omnipotence Cartoonist Dec 2017 #84

There are many ways to communicate. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #85

And which one can't God do? Cartoonist Dec 2017 #86

Do you still misunderstand what I actually said? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #88

You implied it by asking the question Cartoonist Dec 2017 #114

I did not imply any such thing. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #139

Which god? AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #185

If there are so many easy ways to miss God? Bretton Garcia Dec 2017 #63

He really wasn't visible in most of the book. Mariana Dec 2017 #65

That's mostly right. Bretton Garcia Dec 2017 #87

There's an option you aren't including Lordquinton Dec 2017 #73

I looked in the cookie jar but only found crumbs WestMichRad Dec 2017 #11

Are there other jars in the kitchen? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #13

Chocolate chip oatmeal! WestMichRad Dec 2017 #31

Laughter on this end. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #32

Science reveals God zipplewrath Dec 2017 #27

I Googled the term, and this was the first citation: guillaumeb Dec 2017 #28

I agree with this statement. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #52

Potentially zipplewrath Dec 2017 #59

I guess I am more in line with the Jesuits then. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #60

Fritjof Capra Locrian Dec 2017 #126

Here comes the broken record. saidsimplesimon Dec 2017 #29

Faith requires belief in the unprovable. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #30

"...requires belief in the unprovable." WestMichRad Dec 2017 #34

If that suffices for you, fine. oem guillaumeb Dec 2017 #39

faith - Manly Palmer Hall Locrian Dec 2017 #128

Thanks! Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #36

By "God", do you mean a monotheistic deity that has some reason for the capital letter muriel_volestrangler Dec 2017 #35

I mean whatever one conceives of as a deity. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #40

This seems to beg the question, then muriel_volestrangler Dec 2017 #41

Confirmation bias is everywhere. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #42

That's why science is such a good process to finding truth marylandblue Dec 2017 #47

The scientific method is indeed the gold standard, but it is subject Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #53

Yes that's true, it's not perfect marylandblue Dec 2017 #55

Research with human subjects is a different ballgame than the hard sciences. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #57

I believe in spirituality, but I wouldn't call it a belief system marylandblue Dec 2017 #135

Good point, when we turn spirituality into an organized thing, it gets used as a weapon. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #137

Yes -- I too think and believe that KPN Dec 2017 #174

IF ONLY THERE WAS SOME WAY TO CONTROL FOR IT. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #48

It is not possible to eradicate bias in research, but yes the scientific method Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #104

I didn't say anything about eradicating bias. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #134

If only we had a method for acquiring knowledge... trotsky Dec 2017 #50

"Conceive of a deity" Mariana Dec 2017 #44

I found it hiding in the garage. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #37

Did it come back to you? True Dough Dec 2017 #100

Road kill. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #102

I would look for a being that has a measureable effect on the universe marylandblue Dec 2017 #46

Perhaps there is a divine being doing something every day. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #54

I agree with that, sort of marylandblue Dec 2017 #56

We could argue that the God part of the brain is an evolutionary force at work. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #58

Mine started as an intellectual exercise. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #51

An interesting response. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #68

Yes, a lot of people see God in nature. I see God in people and their creations. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #72

So I looked deep inside. And the voice said ... Bretton Garcia Dec 2017 #64

Any evidence that a deity edhopper Dec 2017 #71

How would you know? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #79

a Creator edhopper Dec 2017 #82

So what you're saying Lordquinton Dec 2017 #75

No, what you are framing is what you claim to be my views. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #80

And you avoid the topic completely Lordquinton Dec 2017 #99

Never felt the need to look for any mythical entities. procon Dec 2017 #76

You have found your path. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #81

This thread edhopper Dec 2017 #77

If you do not believe in a deity, there is no need to look. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #89

In fact edhopper Dec 2017 #90

I have a lot of time for things also. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #91

I just think of all thos Saturdays wasted edhopper Dec 2017 #92

Was it truly wasted? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #93

A lot of fairy tales edhopper Dec 2017 #94

Too bad that more do not learn about the Holocaust. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #95

Do you think a nine year old edhopper Dec 2017 #96

No, I do not. Material should be age appropriate. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #97

Well edhopper Dec 2017 #98

I have attended services in a synagogue, and I found them quite nice. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #103

I suppose once or twice can be interesting edhopper Dec 2017 #130

I went every Friday night for a couple of years. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #132

Looking for God assumes that WhiteTara Dec 2017 #101

Yes this is what I was trying to say in my posts, but you said it better White Tara. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #105

Thanks. As I understand it WhiteTara Dec 2017 #107

Can you say more about Mind? Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #108

The heart chakra is the seat of compassion WhiteTara Dec 2017 #109

I think we mean the same thing, but use different terms. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #110

Very close WhiteTara Dec 2017 #111

I don't believe God has gender or race. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #112

I believe in the laws of Karma WhiteTara Dec 2017 #113

Yes exactly. I believe this too. We are seeing a lot of karma taking place Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #115

So are you saying that Universal Laws WhiteTara Dec 2017 #116

I would say Universal Laws are God's laws, and part of God. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #117

If God is everything WhiteTara Dec 2017 #118

Again, semantics in the way.. God is his laws, and his laws are him. But he is more than his laws. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #120

Once again we have returned to the personal god..."him" WhiteTara Dec 2017 #121

I know, God should be an it. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #122

Would you give some examples of karma taking place? Mariana Dec 2017 #123

There are many kinds of karma. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #124

Thank you. nt. Mariana Dec 2017 #125

YW nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #129

I think that is just confirmation bias. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #148

Trump's karmic journey is far from over. It has just begun. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #150

Of course you will see what you wish to see, that is what confirmation bias is. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #152

Faith is not confirmation bias to me. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #154

"Trump's karmic journey is far from over. It has just begun." trotsky Dec 2017 #153

Do the American people play any part in selecting their leadership? Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #155

That's a cop-out non-answer. trotsky Dec 2017 #158

That is a good question. As a group here at DU, KPN Dec 2017 #175

A better example is some of the horrible brutes of the past marylandblue Dec 2017 #156

Agreed, those are great examples. trotsky Dec 2017 #159

"I owe the public nothing." Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #161

An example of what I have been trying to say about finding God in people and in their creations. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #106

He may have intended that meaning. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #140

I don't think it is a conscious process for most. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #142

True, and language/religion/culture are all blended together. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #143

Certainly atheists and non theists are capable of producing angelic or god like material. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #144

I gave up religion long before I gave up god. Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #127

And if it works I would say you found your path. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #141

Chocolate is absolute proof of a deity.. Permanut Dec 2017 #131

If there were a God, chocolate would not be fattening marylandblue Dec 2017 #133

Point taken.. Permanut Dec 2017 #136

Yes, clearly the forbidden fruit was a cacao bean marylandblue Dec 2017 #138

Now they are saying dark chocolate is nutrient dense. So it is really like medicine, right? nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #145

I like where you're going with this.. Permanut Dec 2017 #147

A friend of mine drinks a glass of red wine, and eats a square of dark chocolate Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #149

If angels ate and drank, they would eat chocolate and sip champaign? Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #146

Everywhere. KPN Dec 2017 #151

Do you see evidence of a Creator in creation? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #157

Interesting question and point. That is if I understand your point. KPN Dec 2017 #164

I was speaking about the ability of a human to actually understand guillaumeb Dec 2017 #166

Well I appreciate that. KPN Dec 2017 #176

The Divine, or 'I am that I am' has many faces. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #177

An excellent response. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #178

I spent a lot of time listening to religious people talk about what they perceive as AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #180

Do not waste your time. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #186

It's not confirmation bias if I look where they tell me to look and nothing is there. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #199

That's just you twisting the facts to suit your narrative. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #203

per your question, nothing heaven05 Dec 2017 #204

I did... Snackshack Dec 2017 #227

What did you find? If I can ask. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #228

Hypocrisy. EOM Snackshack Dec 2017 #233