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To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible [View all] guillaumeb Aug 2017 OP

Einstein is too honorable to be mentioned in the Bible. Dawson Leery Aug 2017 #1

But, he did say this: guillaumeb Aug 2017 #3

He also thought quantum mechanics was a bunch of bunk Lordquinton Aug 2017 #14

Proving that Einstein was not omniscient. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #24

Einstein changed his mind when presented with evidence. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #76

Why does a Muslim's faith persist if his faith is "wrong" according to your faith? Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #2

Your questions presuppose that I believe that these paths are wrong. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #4

Just like unicorns are so far advanced that all we can perceive are traces of their actions. Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #5

I knew it. A person of faith. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #6

A garage is no place for a unicorn ..... a meadow is better Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #12

You can't leave unicorns in the meadow because the trolls will eat them. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #72

The trolls only eat them because the Succubus have completely obliterated the trolls' natural food Heddi Aug 2017 #95

you are right larwdem Aug 2017 #62

Could we cut the mockery?...Not every believer is a dummy or a nut job whathehell Aug 2017 #104

Mockery is an important tool for some. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #107

The problem with faith is this: Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #108

Faith is a belief in the unprovable. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #139

I have faith that my invisible unicorn will poop gold bricks. Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #140

If your beliefs are convincing to you, THAT is the key. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #141

The problem with you post is this: whathehell Aug 2017 #142

Personal experience is the ultimate anecdote. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #115

No you can't. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #77

The problem with faith is marylandblue Aug 2017 #7

If you are an atheist, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #8

I dunno, Eko Aug 2017 #9

I cannot know. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #21

No, no, no. Eko Aug 2017 #27

Assuming that the Creator would so manifest, and playing the role of scientist, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #30

There are multiple tests Eko Aug 2017 #35

These tests were devised by human scientists. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #40

Ill take that chance. Eko Aug 2017 #55

You did ask for what tests Eko Aug 2017 #60

In the Bible, in Exodus 33, Moses wanted to look upon God's form Mariana Aug 2017 #68

I notice the claims of god manifesting as burning bushes and towers of fire has dropped precipitousl AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #78

one instance edhopper Aug 2017 #44

Why did the universe come into being? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #47

why do you need a why? edhopper Aug 2017 #51

Not how, why? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #52

Why does there need to be a why edhopper Aug 2017 #59

Why do you need a why? marylandblue Aug 2017 #61

Why do you need there to be a 'why'? AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #80

I'm an agnostic marylandblue Aug 2017 #10

So he is unknowable? Eko Aug 2017 #11

Why is that balderdash? marylandblue Aug 2017 #15

For what reason do you say this? Eko Aug 2017 #29

Because we can see that tbere are no dragons marylandblue Aug 2017 #89

Because you presuppose omniscience and omnipotence. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #81

If it is omnipotent, it can avoid being percieved marylandblue Aug 2017 #90

Exactly. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #91

I suppose I am an agnostic atheist too. marylandblue Aug 2017 #92

so God edhopper Aug 2017 #17

Good point marylandblue Aug 2017 #18

We know were the concept arose edhopper Aug 2017 #19

I don't accept it marylandblue Aug 2017 #20

I wasn't trying to confront you edhopper Aug 2017 #26

I think it is hard-wired into our brains marylandblue Aug 2017 #63

yes edhopper Aug 2017 #66

Did William of Occam believe in a Creator? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #31

Did he apply his own reasoning to God? edhopper Aug 2017 #34

An understanding that is still far from complete. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #38

yet accurate edhopper Aug 2017 #41

Accurate as far as it goes. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #43

so you are going with edhopper Aug 2017 #45

I am a person of faith who admits that my faith is not in any way based on science. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #49

You keep insisting that we must consider "why" the universe exists. MineralMan Aug 2017 #129

People do ask "why" about many things. Is the asking itself necessary? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #132

SOME people do ask 'why' about the existence of the universe. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #135

I understand. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #137

I believe he did marylandblue Aug 2017 #37

And he did have faith, even while knowing it was unprovable. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #46

He didn't believe it was unprovable marylandblue Aug 2017 #57

Ockham. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #82

Speculation, but it can be interesting to speculate. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #102

When the church muzzled William of Ockham, how was our understanding of the universe and our place AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #114

But even in science nothing is considered truly provable. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #22

depends on whose philosophy of science you go by edhopper Aug 2017 #32

Which is why faith and science do not compete. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #33

Until people of faith contend something happened or exists edhopper Aug 2017 #36

lots of things are truly provable Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #71

not all gods have been defined as omni-*. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #70

I thought athiests did not believe in gods ........ agnostics did not know if gods exist Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #13

Atheists do not see any evidence to believe in the god hypothesis. Moostache Aug 2017 #83

Correct. Gnosticism is about knowledge, Theism is about Faith. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #84

Getting semantic about what Science is and how it does it Lordquinton Aug 2017 #16

Science has its methods. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #23

Yes, Eko Aug 2017 #65

All Damn Day. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #85

No. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #93

faith is an opinion formed in the absence of fact. nt msongs Aug 2017 #25

Yes, it is. Faith is belief and the realization that the belief is unprovable. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #28

that is a different category edhopper Aug 2017 #39

But unprovable also. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #42

its a philosophical opinion edhopper Aug 2017 #48

It is unprovable, thus a matter of faith. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #50

no edhopper Aug 2017 #53

YOU believe it is unprovable. Today that may be so, overall. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #86

Belief in democracy is a combination of evidence and value marylandblue Aug 2017 #56

I cannont see the wind, and yet I can see the effects of the wind... Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #54

The wind is quite visible and measurable edhopper Aug 2017 #64

All of those measures are the effects of the wind... Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #67

Thanks for the thoughtful answer edhopper Aug 2017 #75

You can see the wind in a variety of ways. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #88

I'm a fairly ardent atheist. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #87

Always thought Aquinas was full of shit Bradshaw3 Aug 2017 #58

I'm not sure this makes sense. ExciteBike66 Aug 2017 #69

That's a really slick argument you got there. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #73

To one who has faith, no explanation is possible. MineralMan Aug 2017 #74

No, I stand by the quotation. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #96

Well, faith certainly is useful when it comes to supernatural stuff. MineralMan Aug 2017 #98

If I may ask, what has inspired this outpouring of reflections on faith? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #99

Oddly, your statement doesn't seem connected to your title. MineralMan Aug 2017 #100

I personally find it interesting that some of the atheists here feel that a belief can be guillaumeb Aug 2017 #101

I would never call a belief a non-belief. MineralMan Aug 2017 #103

The " number of steps" person sounds as if he might have an OCD issue. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #105

Yes, no doubt he did. MineralMan Aug 2017 #106

What do you think Donald Trump believes, and should his beliefs go unchallenged? AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #119

I think that Donald Trump believes in himself. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #122

Nice dodge. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #125

You did ask. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #126

No you didn't. Observe. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #127

Trump self-describes as a Christian. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #130

And? AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #133

That is my judgment/analysis of Trump. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #134

SHOULD HIS BELIEFS GO UNCHALLENGED? AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #136

Trump's actions are challenged every day. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #138

Oh good, we're at that point in a conversation where you insist atheism is a belief. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #118

Do you believe that there is/there are no god/gods? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #121

No. I do not believe your (and others) claims that there is a god. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #124

Maybe we don't seek an echo chamber? AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #117

Logical error. If you could prove god exists, people would still have to chose to have faith or not AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #116

A logical error. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #120

I believe the Seahawks can win the next super bowl. They've proven in the past they CAN. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #123

Silly poo LovesPNW Aug 2017 #79

And yet, Anselm defined theology as "faith seeking understanding" Htom Sirveaux Aug 2017 #94

And what is the understanding that is pursued? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #97

Careful, now. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #109

And never end. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #110

Wisdom, after the manner of Socrates, Htom Sirveaux Aug 2017 #111

Anslem said: guillaumeb Aug 2017 #112

Indeed, so that raises the question Htom Sirveaux Aug 2017 #113

but if there is no such thing as a creator there goes their argument why faith persists. samnsara Aug 2017 #128

Faith in a Creator presupposes the existence of a Creator. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #131