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AtheistCrusader

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86. YOU believe it is unprovable. Today that may be so, overall.

Thu Aug 24, 2017, 11:06 AM

Aug 2017

Doesn't stop science from proving that the earth does not reside upon a snake, upon elephants, upon a turtle, or the sun isn't a fiery chariot crossing the sky, or a snake girdles the entire planet, or that hades isn't a real place guarded from mortals by a three headed dog, etc.

Science bats away ridiculous 'faith' all the time. The Abrahamic faith is a bit harder nut to crack, because it makes very general claims that are squishy and can be interpreted various ways, but, still plenty of claims in the Abrahamic bible that have already been shredded by science. Plenty more to come too.

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To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible [View all] guillaumeb Aug 2017 OP

Einstein is too honorable to be mentioned in the Bible. Dawson Leery Aug 2017 #1

But, he did say this: guillaumeb Aug 2017 #3

He also thought quantum mechanics was a bunch of bunk Lordquinton Aug 2017 #14

Proving that Einstein was not omniscient. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #24

Einstein changed his mind when presented with evidence. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #76

Why does a Muslim's faith persist if his faith is "wrong" according to your faith? Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #2

Your questions presuppose that I believe that these paths are wrong. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #4

Just like unicorns are so far advanced that all we can perceive are traces of their actions. Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #5

I knew it. A person of faith. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #6

A garage is no place for a unicorn ..... a meadow is better Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #12

You can't leave unicorns in the meadow because the trolls will eat them. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #72

The trolls only eat them because the Succubus have completely obliterated the trolls' natural food Heddi Aug 2017 #95

you are right larwdem Aug 2017 #62

Could we cut the mockery?...Not every believer is a dummy or a nut job whathehell Aug 2017 #104

Mockery is an important tool for some. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #107

The problem with faith is this: Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #108

Faith is a belief in the unprovable. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #139

I have faith that my invisible unicorn will poop gold bricks. Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #140

If your beliefs are convincing to you, THAT is the key. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #141

The problem with you post is this: whathehell Aug 2017 #142

Personal experience is the ultimate anecdote. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #115

No you can't. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #77

The problem with faith is marylandblue Aug 2017 #7

If you are an atheist, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #8

I dunno, Eko Aug 2017 #9

I cannot know. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #21

No, no, no. Eko Aug 2017 #27

Assuming that the Creator would so manifest, and playing the role of scientist, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #30

There are multiple tests Eko Aug 2017 #35

These tests were devised by human scientists. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #40

Ill take that chance. Eko Aug 2017 #55

You did ask for what tests Eko Aug 2017 #60

In the Bible, in Exodus 33, Moses wanted to look upon God's form Mariana Aug 2017 #68

I notice the claims of god manifesting as burning bushes and towers of fire has dropped precipitousl AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #78

one instance edhopper Aug 2017 #44

Why did the universe come into being? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #47

why do you need a why? edhopper Aug 2017 #51

Not how, why? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #52

Why does there need to be a why edhopper Aug 2017 #59

Why do you need a why? marylandblue Aug 2017 #61

Why do you need there to be a 'why'? AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #80

I'm an agnostic marylandblue Aug 2017 #10

So he is unknowable? Eko Aug 2017 #11

Why is that balderdash? marylandblue Aug 2017 #15

For what reason do you say this? Eko Aug 2017 #29

Because we can see that tbere are no dragons marylandblue Aug 2017 #89

Because you presuppose omniscience and omnipotence. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #81

If it is omnipotent, it can avoid being percieved marylandblue Aug 2017 #90

Exactly. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #91

I suppose I am an agnostic atheist too. marylandblue Aug 2017 #92

so God edhopper Aug 2017 #17

Good point marylandblue Aug 2017 #18

We know were the concept arose edhopper Aug 2017 #19

I don't accept it marylandblue Aug 2017 #20

I wasn't trying to confront you edhopper Aug 2017 #26

I think it is hard-wired into our brains marylandblue Aug 2017 #63

yes edhopper Aug 2017 #66

Did William of Occam believe in a Creator? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #31

Did he apply his own reasoning to God? edhopper Aug 2017 #34

An understanding that is still far from complete. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #38

yet accurate edhopper Aug 2017 #41

Accurate as far as it goes. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #43

so you are going with edhopper Aug 2017 #45

I am a person of faith who admits that my faith is not in any way based on science. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #49

You keep insisting that we must consider "why" the universe exists. MineralMan Aug 2017 #129

People do ask "why" about many things. Is the asking itself necessary? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #132

SOME people do ask 'why' about the existence of the universe. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #135

I understand. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #137

I believe he did marylandblue Aug 2017 #37

And he did have faith, even while knowing it was unprovable. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #46

He didn't believe it was unprovable marylandblue Aug 2017 #57

Ockham. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #82

Speculation, but it can be interesting to speculate. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #102

When the church muzzled William of Ockham, how was our understanding of the universe and our place AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #114

But even in science nothing is considered truly provable. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #22

depends on whose philosophy of science you go by edhopper Aug 2017 #32

Which is why faith and science do not compete. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #33

Until people of faith contend something happened or exists edhopper Aug 2017 #36

lots of things are truly provable Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #71

not all gods have been defined as omni-*. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #70

I thought athiests did not believe in gods ........ agnostics did not know if gods exist Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #13

Atheists do not see any evidence to believe in the god hypothesis. Moostache Aug 2017 #83

Correct. Gnosticism is about knowledge, Theism is about Faith. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #84

Getting semantic about what Science is and how it does it Lordquinton Aug 2017 #16

Science has its methods. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #23

Yes, Eko Aug 2017 #65

All Damn Day. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #85

No. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #93

faith is an opinion formed in the absence of fact. nt msongs Aug 2017 #25

Yes, it is. Faith is belief and the realization that the belief is unprovable. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #28

that is a different category edhopper Aug 2017 #39

But unprovable also. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #42

its a philosophical opinion edhopper Aug 2017 #48

It is unprovable, thus a matter of faith. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #50

no edhopper Aug 2017 #53

YOU believe it is unprovable. Today that may be so, overall. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #86

Belief in democracy is a combination of evidence and value marylandblue Aug 2017 #56

I cannont see the wind, and yet I can see the effects of the wind... Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #54

The wind is quite visible and measurable edhopper Aug 2017 #64

All of those measures are the effects of the wind... Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #67

Thanks for the thoughtful answer edhopper Aug 2017 #75

You can see the wind in a variety of ways. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #88

I'm a fairly ardent atheist. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #87

Always thought Aquinas was full of shit Bradshaw3 Aug 2017 #58

I'm not sure this makes sense. ExciteBike66 Aug 2017 #69

That's a really slick argument you got there. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #73

To one who has faith, no explanation is possible. MineralMan Aug 2017 #74

No, I stand by the quotation. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #96

Well, faith certainly is useful when it comes to supernatural stuff. MineralMan Aug 2017 #98

If I may ask, what has inspired this outpouring of reflections on faith? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #99

Oddly, your statement doesn't seem connected to your title. MineralMan Aug 2017 #100

I personally find it interesting that some of the atheists here feel that a belief can be guillaumeb Aug 2017 #101

I would never call a belief a non-belief. MineralMan Aug 2017 #103

The " number of steps" person sounds as if he might have an OCD issue. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #105

Yes, no doubt he did. MineralMan Aug 2017 #106

What do you think Donald Trump believes, and should his beliefs go unchallenged? AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #119

I think that Donald Trump believes in himself. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #122

Nice dodge. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #125

You did ask. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #126

No you didn't. Observe. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #127

Trump self-describes as a Christian. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #130

And? AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #133

That is my judgment/analysis of Trump. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #134

SHOULD HIS BELIEFS GO UNCHALLENGED? AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #136

Trump's actions are challenged every day. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #138

Oh good, we're at that point in a conversation where you insist atheism is a belief. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #118

Do you believe that there is/there are no god/gods? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #121

No. I do not believe your (and others) claims that there is a god. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #124

Maybe we don't seek an echo chamber? AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #117

Logical error. If you could prove god exists, people would still have to chose to have faith or not AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #116

A logical error. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #120

I believe the Seahawks can win the next super bowl. They've proven in the past they CAN. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #123

Silly poo LovesPNW Aug 2017 #79

And yet, Anselm defined theology as "faith seeking understanding" Htom Sirveaux Aug 2017 #94

And what is the understanding that is pursued? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #97

Careful, now. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #109

And never end. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #110

Wisdom, after the manner of Socrates, Htom Sirveaux Aug 2017 #111

Anslem said: guillaumeb Aug 2017 #112

Indeed, so that raises the question Htom Sirveaux Aug 2017 #113

but if there is no such thing as a creator there goes their argument why faith persists. samnsara Aug 2017 #128

Faith in a Creator presupposes the existence of a Creator. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #131