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cbayer

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113. Let me know if you have any questions when shopping for your boat.
Fri May 4, 2012, 06:58 PM
May 2012

We spent a year looking at boats before buying this one. It is the perfect combination of a blue water cruiser and home.

And it's a great way to live.

The boom is the most dangerous thing on a boat, but you will get it.

Experience and intuition are the others whathehell May 2012 #1
faith is something one uses to justify one's own prejudices - I believe it therefore it's true etc n msongs May 2012 #2
Do you really believe that? Starboard Tack May 2012 #41
There is no possible proof of god, save serious miracles. WingDinger May 2012 #3
Well said, WingDinger. cbayer May 2012 #4
exactly the same evidence for what? dmallind May 2012 #8
While I get along better with atheists, the presumptuous part is WingDinger May 2012 #9
You have seen things "far in excess of nature"? mr blur May 2012 #10
I'll give you one example. WingDinger May 2012 #12
You actually don't know the odds of two beach rocks seeming to "fit" together? edhopper May 2012 #13
Starving children and suffering people around the world can get bent. trotsky May 2012 #14
You might be happier if you could get rid of a anthropromorphic notion of God, Thats my opinion May 2012 #86
And you might be able to relate to more people trotsky May 2012 #91
Never mentioned God, in relation to the rocks. Just an example of WingDinger May 2012 #15
But it is odds. You just don't know what they are. Goblinmonger May 2012 #16
What about karma? What do you think about that? cbayer May 2012 #17
Confirmation bias. Look it up. trotsky May 2012 #18
Yes, Karma, is the CONFIRMATION that cooperation is the secret to the success of mankind. WingDinger May 2012 #19
Again, I need only to point to Dick Cheney to disprove karma. trotsky May 2012 #21
There is a price for being a DICK. WingDinger May 2012 #22
Hmm, let's see... trotsky May 2012 #23
I have heart failure, and would rather die, than become a Dick, to get freebie heart fix. WingDinger May 2012 #25
But that's not the point here now, is it? trotsky May 2012 #27
what I said is: Karma, is confirmation that cooperation is the key to humankinds success. WingDinger May 2012 #28
So you're not going to answer the question. trotsky May 2012 #29
You want me to identify the cosmic killjoy, and I answered you anthropologically. WingDinger May 2012 #30
Nope, I'd just like to see some evidence. trotsky May 2012 #31
Evidence that being generally uncooperative,and not rich and powerful enough to buy sycophants WingDinger May 2012 #32
Oh I'm sure Dick Cheney suffers greatly because all of DU considers him to be a jerk. trotsky May 2012 #34
He cries himself to sleep each night because DU hates him. n/t laconicsax May 2012 #39
Not for that reason, but he may cry himself to sleep. cbayer May 2012 #43
To be honest, we have no way to know how happy or not the man is. eqfan592 May 2012 #45
That's true, but I still wouldn't want to be him. cbayer May 2012 #48
Are we engaging in mindreading and asking ridiculous questions? laconicsax May 2012 #61
You confuse comfort, privilege, wealth and power with good Karma. Starboard Tack May 2012 #42
I think we are talking about two different types of karma. eqfan592 May 2012 #46
I'm not sure they are so distinct. Starboard Tack May 2012 #49
Still not an answer. trotsky May 2012 #54
Karma doesn't require evidence. Neither does any personal belief. Starboard Tack May 2012 #57
Anything goes! trotsky May 2012 #59
Is that what you believe? Starboard Tack May 2012 #65
*psst* laconicsax May 2012 #66
I know, but I thought it would be more interesting to take it literally Starboard Tack May 2012 #76
What's funny is that when I used the hypothetical "you" in a discussion with Thats my opinion... trotsky May 2012 #106
That was very civil of you. I always try to use "one". Less ambiguous. Starboard Tack May 2012 #111
This game again? trotsky May 2012 #114
I missed your revision, but I appreciate the effort--and take it at face value. Thanks. Thats my opinion May 2012 #119
No, you didn't miss it. trotsky May 2012 #144
Hey, it's their deeply held beliefs - why should they keep them to themselves? trotsky May 2012 #69
Just because YOU don't believe, you feel the need to slam those who do Starboard Tack May 2012 #77
Wrong. trotsky May 2012 #78
You believe you are entitled to ask for evidence. Starboard Tack May 2012 #88
And that's exactly what someone did. trotsky May 2012 #89
Who was that someone? Starboard Tack May 2012 #95
Scroll up. n/t trotsky May 2012 #96
I did Starboard Tack May 2012 #97
Hint: look for a statement that begins with "karma is..." trotsky May 2012 #98
Nope. I find no statement beginning with "karma is" Starboard Tack May 2012 #101
OK, I found it. Still don't know why you couldn't just link to it. Starboard Tack May 2012 #102
Since you jumped into the thread to lecture and berate me, trotsky May 2012 #104
Apology accepted. Starboard Tack May 2012 #109
Does a personal belief require evidence? No. eqfan592 May 2012 #62
Couldn't agree more. Starboard Tack May 2012 #64
re: karma Heddi May 2012 #70
I think you make some really good points here. cbayer May 2012 #72
I called out of work for a Mental Health Day tonight Heddi May 2012 #73
Very cool that you are learning to sail. cbayer May 2012 #99
mr heddi just wants a boat Heddi May 2012 #107
Let me know if you have any questions when shopping for your boat. cbayer May 2012 #113
I'll tell my husband Heddi May 2012 #117
Where in my post do I mention God? edhopper May 2012 #38
a FORCE that is in opposition to dishevel and disorder. AlbertCat May 2012 #51
This seems so ancedotal and inaccurate that I find it funny, you are proclaiming something special.. Humanist_Activist May 2012 #74
Even if you dismiss the divinity hokum, there still is showing all sorts dignity and respect. AlbertCat May 2012 #50
A choice? darkstar3 May 2012 #11
Refusing the charicatures of all that is, makes sense. WingDinger May 2012 #20
What????? eqfan592 May 2012 #24
It is oxyMORONIC, to believe it is possible to have faith in what you dont believe. WingDinger May 2012 #26
Indeed it is. eqfan592 May 2012 #33
Faith, is belief in things not see nor evidenced. WingDinger May 2012 #35
I agree that faith is not beliefe in what you do not believe. eqfan592 May 2012 #36
"and belief is not dictated by choice" WingDinger May 2012 #37
Belief is influenced by what we choose to study. eqfan592 May 2012 #40
To assert that all that is came about entirely organically, AlbertCat May 2012 #52
"Faith is not a choice." Really? Starboard Tack May 2012 #44
Do you think the only things that aren't chosen are things that are genetic? eqfan592 May 2012 #47
I was never convinced about God's existence in the first place. Starboard Tack May 2012 #55
Sorry, but I disagree when talking about it in the context of belief. eqfan592 May 2012 #56
I disagree. I think belief is entirely a choice. Starboard Tack May 2012 #58
How is belief entirely a choice? eqfan592 May 2012 #60
Simple. You chose to believe that. Starboard Tack May 2012 #67
You are conflating the existence of options in the world with the... eqfan592 May 2012 #68
To humans, cause and effect, is lord and savior. WingDinger May 2012 #79
None of that demonstrates actual, conscious choice when it comes to belief. eqfan592 May 2012 #81
Prove that belief is a choice. laconicsax May 2012 #63
Proof that belief, is a choice, there are those that choose to believe that. Simple.. WingDinger May 2012 #80
"Belief exists, therefore belief is a choice." eqfan592 May 2012 #82
I deliberately left out the muddy part that would piss people off, but since you asked... darkstar3 May 2012 #71
Faith is always a choice. That's why we call it faith Starboard Tack May 2012 #75
No, that is not why we call it faith. eqfan592 May 2012 #83
Faith means trust. I decide whether to trust something or someone. Starboard Tack May 2012 #90
Sorry, but I'm not the one playing at semantics. eqfan592 May 2012 #93
On certain things I will trust my lawyer more Starboard Tack May 2012 #94
I'm sorry, but you are just not addressing the main issue. eqfan592 May 2012 #116
Why is deluding oneself not a valid choice? Starboard Tack May 2012 #121
"Why is deluding oneself not a valid choice?" eqfan592 May 2012 #122
My point is your choice of the word "deluding" Starboard Tack May 2012 #124
I am in no way, shape or form saying that. eqfan592 May 2012 #126
Ridiculous. You invalidate your first statement with your answer to A. darkstar3 May 2012 #84
That's because no one is interested in an intellectual exercise. trotsky May 2012 #85
I think it is more about people not wanting to engage with fundies of any stripe. Starboard Tack May 2012 #100
Yeah, I can't stand fundies. trotsky May 2012 #103
I'm happy to hear that. Starboard Tack May 2012 #108
I'm sure you had no choice but to respond to me like that. n/t trotsky May 2012 #112
How do fundies not believe in choice? eqfan592 May 2012 #118
Fundies believe there is only one true way Starboard Tack May 2012 #123
OK, the first draft of this was much harsher. eqfan592 May 2012 #125
The choice one makes is based on the evidence, or lack thereof Starboard Tack May 2012 #131
*sigh* eqfan592 May 2012 #132
Have you ever served on a jury? Not a DU jury Starboard Tack May 2012 #135
Ya know, maybe it would help for you to understand... eqfan592 May 2012 #128
Thanks for sharing. Starboard Tack May 2012 #133
I wasn't aware that she believed that all non-believers end up in hell. eqfan592 May 2012 #134
There you go Starboard Tack May 2012 #136
Or two people having different beliefs constructed from their own experience... eqfan592 May 2012 #138
We may both be correct Starboard Tack May 2012 #140
Same to you. eqfan592 May 2012 #141
This post gets to the core of the matter... CJCRANE May 2012 #137
Yes, thank you. (nt) eqfan592 May 2012 #139
I'm curious. Why do you find the idea of choice insulting? Starboard Tack May 2012 #142
I explained that, in large part, with the story about my mother. (nt) eqfan592 May 2012 #146
All it shows me is, that as usual, you don't want a conversation Starboard Tack May 2012 #92
When will you be civil, then? trotsky May 2012 #105
You'll find that I am civil most of the time. Starboard Tack May 2012 #110
Ah yes, the old "but maw, he did it first" routine. That's cute. trotsky May 2012 #115
Being intolerant of intolerance doesn't make one tolerant. Starboard Tack May 2012 #127
LOL trotsky May 2012 #143
Do not stand in the circle you have marked with your piss and preach to others about "conversation". darkstar3 May 2012 #129
Yep, the hypocrisy is pretty glaring, isn't it? n/t trotsky May 2012 #145
We can accept that it is not YOUR choice. Thats my opinion May 2012 #87
Read #71. Carefully. darkstar3 May 2012 #130
We? rug May 2012 #5
Certainly. See post #2. Dawson Leery May 2012 #6
Whatever works for you..... I guess. cbayer May 2012 #7
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." AlbertCat May 2012 #53
On belief and faith... Joseph8th May 2012 #120
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