Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
49. I didn't say "religionists." I said "religion" and I didn't say "atheists." I said science....
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:03 PM
Apr 2012

Religion does say "This is the truth, period." If it doesn't, then how is it a religion? All religions, by definition, have tenants of belief, don't they? If you believe them, you belong to that religion. If you don't, then you don't--for example, you can hardly say that you are a christian by religion if you don't believe in the holiness of jesus. And these essential tenants aren't flexible--which is why you end up with schisms. Because those who disagree with the tenants must start their own church based on different tenants. For example, you don't say "god is love, but that's not an absolute..." You say, "god is love," and that's the religion's tenant. It's accepted as a fact, right? No evidence required, no vote taken. And if someone in that religion says, "You're all wrong! god is hate!" then he usually has to leave and start his own religion. The religion isn't going to say, "okay, let's look at the evidence, do some research and tests, and re-assess our tenants on what god is accordingly...." That's not religion.

Science says, "we have theory one, theory two and theory three for what this is. Let's look at the evidence and see if it proves any of them right. If it doesn't then we will reject them all and formulate a new one given what we know...." Science lets the evidence tell us what is the truth. It doesn't state a truth and then ignore any and all evidence to the contrary. It doesn't let tenants of faith dictate what it concludes. Which is why science is more open-minded than religion.

Individual Scientists, however, can certainly be closed-minded. Just as individual religionists may be open-minded. But that's pretty obvious, isn't it?

From the link tama Apr 2012 #1
Are you telling me that brains decomposing, or "rotting," after death isn't backed up by science? eqfan592 Apr 2012 #2
No tama Apr 2012 #5
So it's just a coincidence that brains do rot and that all consciousness 100% correlates with brains dmallind Apr 2012 #3
"that's all it is" tama Apr 2012 #7
You mean I ask for evidence and refuse to accept woo woo in its place dmallind Apr 2012 #8
I mean tama Apr 2012 #9
This from the one who practically worships Sheldrake's work, and dismisses criticisms made of him? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #10
Wrong. nt tama Apr 2012 #11
So that wasn't you on DU2 continually talking about consciousness as an "epiphenomenon" darkstar3 Apr 2012 #12
Define consciousness tama Apr 2012 #14
I think, therefore people piss me off. It's a close enough definition to work with. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #15
Quite cartesian. :) tama Apr 2012 #16
Sorry, but what is there to cherry pick? eqfan592 Apr 2012 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author tama Apr 2012 #26
The burden of proof tama Apr 2012 #27
LOL! laconicsax Apr 2012 #29
You claim tama Apr 2012 #33
After doing some quick research on this Sheldrake person... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #40
My advice tama Apr 2012 #42
I did read at least one of Sheldrakes responses. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #44
Agreed tama Apr 2012 #46
Do you understand what happens during the decomposition process after death? eqfan592 Apr 2012 #30
Why do you need tama Apr 2012 #31
Guess-project a strawman?!?!? eqfan592 Apr 2012 #36
I don't need to believe anything, now do I? tama Apr 2012 #38
I have no problem with skepticism. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #39
My skepticism tama Apr 2012 #41
Sorry, but I think you're taking things just a tad too far. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #43
What proof? tama Apr 2012 #45
I don't believe there is a "theory of brain reduction." eqfan592 Apr 2012 #48
As you say tama Apr 2012 #53
What evidence is there of telepathy? eqfan592 Apr 2012 #54
I consider the claim tama Apr 2012 #55
Indeed it does require extraoridnary evidence... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #58
As expected tama Apr 2012 #59
Science knows a great deal about skepticscott Apr 2012 #60
Interesting tama Apr 2012 #62
Wow, and there you go way off the deep end. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #61
You make many tama Apr 2012 #63
I think then we are at an impasse. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #64
And thanks to you! :) tama Apr 2012 #65
Ultimately an absurd debate. If one believes in god, then one believes in a being that... Moonwalk Apr 2012 #4
Death tama Apr 2012 #13
Science alway admits to "not knowing" what it doesn't know. It's religion that refuses to admit... Moonwalk Apr 2012 #17
I would avoid tama Apr 2012 #19
Imagine my remorse at losing your respect. Allow me to try and win it back.... Moonwalk Apr 2012 #20
Thanks tama Apr 2012 #24
if you could only say, "some religionists say," we could have a conversation. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #28
Actually, I don't think he said "religionists" at all. (nt) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #37
I didn't say "religionists." I said "religion" and I didn't say "atheists." I said science.... Moonwalk Apr 2012 #49
No one I've ever heard of now or in histotry, Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #21
Pop quiz: Yes or no? "God can do anything." darkstar3 Apr 2012 #22
No --that is a gotcha question if there ever was one. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #47
It was a question your assertion set you up for. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #51
Do you believe in bodily resurrection? Leontius Apr 2012 #56
I never said anything about God being a "super human magician." That was your statement darkstar3 Apr 2012 #57
Hmph tama Apr 2012 #25
If you're going to argue here, at least be honest skepticscott Apr 2012 #32
Thanks tama Apr 2012 #35
Are you saying that no one believes Jesus was physically resurrected? trotsky Apr 2012 #34
I didn't make up anything--you just need to read more history.... Moonwalk Apr 2012 #50
You know, the more I read your response to my post, the more absurd it becomes! I mean really.... Moonwalk Apr 2012 #52
Maybe it's just armchair quarterbacking... Silent3 Apr 2012 #6
George Pell was Bishop of Melbourne when i taught at the Melbourn University of Divinity. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #18
Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Religion»Dawkins and Pell battle i...»Reply #49