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Thats my opinion

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Mon Apr 9, 2012, 10:28 PM Apr 2012

Religious people have been vital in positively defining the most important ethical issues [View all]

to face the county.

While this has been true historically, it has been massively true in modern times.

Let's' begin with the Civil Rights movement. Any solid examination of this vital American phenomenon will conclude that it was the religious community that made civil rights possible. It was more than M. L. King. It was Ralph Abernathy, James Lawson, Abraham Heschel, black and white Churches in every Southern Community, the National Council of Churches, the liberal wing of Judaism, on and on. I was President of the Washington D. C Council of Churches and we were deeply involved in the struggle, in addition to thousands of congregations.

The Freedom Riders and the lunch counter demonstrators were either mainly clergy or devout members of churches.

Without religious groups and persons there would have been no civil rights movement.

In "religion," at least half of the posts have attacked religion in one way or another. But the time has come to ask another set of questions. The involvement of religious people in civil rights is clear. But what has been the participation of either atheists or organizations of atheists? Certainly Ayn Rand was on the other side of the issue--as was Madeleine Murry O'Hare. But what name of an individual atheist or group was prominent and involved? Could it be that it was absent because at its core atheism has no substantial ethical posture? If so, what is it, who is identified with it in the same way that religionists act out of their faith?

Value in society is not known by what people believe--what doctrines they espouse, but how what they espouse forms the substructure of what they do. I think we all hold to that as an ethical reality. Who here would have denied the religious community from participating in civil rights struggle--and at what cost?--

I have pointed out how this applies to theists. How does it apply specifically to atheists?.

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This sounds very much like men in the 60s Warpy Apr 2012 #1
But did any of the people you name make their contributions purely because they were atheists? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #5
The ones I named and others were involved in civil rightsts out of their fatih. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #10
And that means precisely dick. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #13
None of us contribute to society in the name of atheism Warpy Apr 2012 #16
My point exactly. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #20
Would you state how and where this erthical imperatrive comes form. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #100
Really? I've explained this to you more than once. laconicsax Apr 2012 #106
I haven't tama Apr 2012 #119
Can you point out any ethical or moral systems that has no connection to Leontius Apr 2012 #130
Religion tama Apr 2012 #135
Aside from secular humanism, what you ignore is that the same ethics and morals darkstar3 Apr 2012 #137
No I'm not ignoring the fact that ethics and morals are so broadly spread and Leontius Apr 2012 #138
I already did name one, but on top of that, darkstar3 Apr 2012 #139
No you did not name any ethical or moral system that has no connection to religious tradition. Leontius Apr 2012 #140
Did you perhaps miss the bulk of my post wherein I challenged you to "prove it"? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #141
Where did YOU learn the ethical imperative skepticscott Apr 2012 #129
What people I named who had no belief in God? Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #42
I think you posted in the wrong spot. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #43
This group is bombarded every day with anti-theistic posts. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #101
I meant that your reply made no sense in context. That chip on your shoulder seems to be darkstar3 Apr 2012 #108
Well you're certainly doing more than your part to bombard it with anti-atheist hatred. trotsky Apr 2012 #113
Nothing in the OP or beyond is anti-atheist hatred Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #122
You have ignored all the other facts given to you. trotsky Apr 2012 #127
More horseshit skepticscott Apr 2012 #131
Who on this list of very good people was involved in the civil rights struggle? nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #7
Aaaaaaand there go the goalposts. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #12
It's called google, and it took all of two seconds to find. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #15
LOLOL Skittles Apr 2012 #2
so, uh... what happened? why did ya'll check out of the really important good works biz? Schema Thing Apr 2012 #3
The play by play could be fun, but let's just cut straight to the heart of the matter: darkstar3 Apr 2012 #4
Simple logic. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #17
There's no logic in your OP or in that post. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #18
This time, after all thesde months, I'm asking the questions. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #32
only because you're ignoring the answers you don't like. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #34
You're asking questions for which you could have found the answer easily enough on your own. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #35
Here is your response: trotsky Apr 2012 #64
How manhy times have I lamented the dark side of what religionhas done. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #76
What it takes away is a valid criticism of your constant praise of what religion can do. trotsky Apr 2012 #78
Simple logic also dictates that without religiosu people, the civil rights movement... trotsky Apr 2012 #62
#2 Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #67
Complete horseshit EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2012 #6
I never made that accusation. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #22
Except it's not a "serious question". And you even got your answer, more than once. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #25
That's why I used the word "implication" EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2012 #30
Perhaps you just need to get over yourself - mr blur Apr 2012 #56
That's a non response if I ever saw one.nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #77
#3 Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #68
Religious people have also been at the forefront of denying equal rights Hugabear Apr 2012 #8
Of course, there are religionists whose record is abysmal. Point granted. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #24
Here ya go Hugabear Apr 2012 #40
No response, eh? Hugabear Apr 2012 #111
I thought you were taking a week break? eqfan592 Apr 2012 #9
Perfect comic, thank you for posting it. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #14
Amusing, but has nothing to do with my questions. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #29
If he did, would you bother to respond to his points, darkstar3 Apr 2012 #31
I've already posted a link that responds to both questions. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #37
How specific should we be? rrneck Apr 2012 #50
The host locked my post Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #33
And? Were you planning on posting in it again? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #36
Besides your totally false statements mzteris Apr 2012 #11
Your motives are not as important as you might think. GordonHide Apr 2012 #59
Three more examples of the influence of religion in America: dimbear Apr 2012 #19
Don't forget the leading opposition to LGBT rights Hugabear Apr 2012 #21
I know the dark side better than you do Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #38
I think no one denies the importance of religion, it's its value I question. dimbear Apr 2012 #48
Few would have had the freedom Mariana Apr 2012 #53
O the flailing that is going on here.nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #80
Says the man skepticscott Apr 2012 #81
Post 72 is a solid response to my questions. Thank you. nt/ Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #104
Come on! Saying that atheist were not involved in civil rights because they were intimidated, Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #105
Problem is that nobody actually said that except you. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #107
It certainly would be, if I had said that. Mariana Apr 2012 #115
Why do they believe it is the "right thing"? Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #102
Your last question is based on a false premise. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #103
Because most atheists I know... trotsky Apr 2012 #112
This post has meta discussion about the forum in it. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #23
Good point. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #26
I'm sure the hosts will jump right on it. n/t Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #27
But you may have to post a tribute first. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #28
That is one way of not dealing with quesions I have asked, when you all have bombarded some of us Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #39
Then edit the post to take the meta part out. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #41
OK. Tell mewhere the meta-post is exactly. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #44
Goblinmonger told you exactly what it was Hugabear Apr 2012 #46
Oh my. When arguments fail, start flailing!.nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #82
Better than what you do when your arguments fail: start insulting. trotsky Apr 2012 #88
See that part of your OP I put in the block? Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #63
I think you might need to draw a picture Hugabear Apr 2012 #96
#4 Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #70
*You* "might be willing to come up with a deal about that one." ? mr blur Apr 2012 #79
It's fairly simple. rrneck Apr 2012 #45
"You can't claim credit for one without assuming responsibility for the other." EXACLT! eqfan592 Apr 2012 #47
Oh he grasps it all right. rrneck Apr 2012 #49
Learn to read. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #83
Could it be cause most of the ministers & theist you mentioned were also BLACK xfundy Apr 2012 #51
While many were black, many were not. nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #84
This is a particularly odious meme longship Apr 2012 #52
If you follow any liberal theist stuff you will see that we reach out time after time-- Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #85
What you often extend is not a hand, but a cross to hold. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #87
I nor anyone else here offered you a cross to hold. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #123
So, metaphor only works if it's convenient for you. How typical. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #136
Perhaps that's because all you seem to have to offer mr blur Apr 2012 #89
Never said nor implied that atheists were immoral or amoral. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #109
And. We. Answered. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #110
They were right in the group doing the same things. trotsky Apr 2012 #114
I never said "only" NEVER! Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #124
You refuse to grasp the key item here: trotsky Apr 2012 #126
They were on the front lines rrneck Apr 2012 #132
Arrgghh! intaglio Apr 2012 #54
your second paragraph assumes you know our motivation, Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #86
The statistics longship Apr 2012 #55
You do not have to be religious to be moral. Whoever said otherwise. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #90
Given the incredible blindness regarding this thread that you display here, darkstar3 Apr 2012 #94
Oh, you know all about him? skepticscott Apr 2012 #98
"Randolph was raised and got his ethics in a CME church where his father was the pastor." trotsky Apr 2012 #117
Religion has not been good for civil rights. GordonHide Apr 2012 #57
"Far better to do what's right, whatever you're told,..." mr blur Apr 2012 #58
Flail away Blur. It is easier than coming to terms with what hss been said. nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #91
Obvious to any reader of this thread that you're the one who has trouble coming to terms with mr blur Apr 2012 #128
Just another ridiculous attempt skepticscott Apr 2012 #60
"Without religious groups and persons there would have been no civil rights movement." trotsky Apr 2012 #61
To have pulled religious people out of he civil rights movement would have guted it. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #92
Prove it. trotsky Apr 2012 #97
Then certainly you can link to some of those scholarly reviews Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #118
Religious leadere are trained to motivate people. rrneck Apr 2012 #121
Let's end with human reproductive health care, sexual orientation and human rights, and Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #65
Great points! In the last 30 years, most of what we have seen from SamG Apr 2012 #71
if you insert the word,"some" you have a point--although Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #93
#1 Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #66
Let's say that original statement again substituting the word "straight" instead of SamG Apr 2012 #69
Well, here's an answer to your "Gotcha" question: mr blur Apr 2012 #72
Don't expect a response.... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #73
The OP has had every point they tried to make skepticscott Apr 2012 #74
Took long enough, nt rrneck Apr 2012 #75
Thank you. i never said atheists were not involved. I just asked for some names. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #95
Horseshit skepticscott Apr 2012 #99
Really? I gave you a name in post #53. Mariana Apr 2012 #116
So without religion these people would not Angry Dragon Apr 2012 #120
I think it's clear what the subtext is here. trotsky Apr 2012 #125
Why are you asking this question? nt rrneck Apr 2012 #133
Do you think women's suffrage was an important ethical issue to face the country? trotsky Apr 2012 #134
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