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Tell me why I should respect people's "deeply held" religious beliefs? [View all] Odin2005 Apr 2012 OP

Because there is safety in numbers. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #1

At least in America, this "respect" is a one way street applied only to Christians. Dawson Leery Apr 2012 #2

Good point! Odin2005 Apr 2012 #3

You have no understanding, nor do you read, hear nor sense Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #20

But you must admit that many Christians (though not all by any means) edhopper Apr 2012 #33

Far toooooooo many! nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #48

Because if you do it publicly it will cause riots in some countries and people might die? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #4

I just asked the same question in GD Ron Obvious Apr 2012 #5

I respect everyone's *right* to hold any religious belief they want. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2012 #6

Bingo! Religious beliefs are like any other belief, like a political belief. stopbush Apr 2012 #22

That said, I don't make a habit of mocking other people's beliefs. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2012 #35

Agreed on all points... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #74

Why is it harder if it is a theological belief? cbayer Apr 2012 #79

"... if they are civil..." then I am, too... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #84

Agree. It is harder to maintain a civil discourse in this venue and cbayer Apr 2012 #89

Rspect implies hearing someone else. It has nothing to do with acceptance of the witness. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #49

ALL beliefs are fair game, if you ask me arcane1 Apr 2012 #7

Maybe criticism and disagreement, but here probably not distain and ridicule. nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #50

Respect, or voice disprespect? nt rrneck Apr 2012 #8

All Peoples beliefs are like assholes, you know the saying:) tibbiit Apr 2012 #9

People DO change their minds. I've seen it many times. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #10

As have I. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #16

You are confusing beliefs with the people holding them. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #28

You don't have to. But if don't can you look at yourself in the mirror and consider yourself demosincebirth Apr 2012 #11

So, if you think Flat Earthers are a bit loony toons then are you being open minded? nt Kalidurga Apr 2012 #13

Dumb analogy. nt demosincebirth Apr 2012 #17

In response to a dumb generalization. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #18

The same reason you should respect a vegetarian when planning a meal, or... TreasonousBastard Apr 2012 #12

Does that work both ways? trotsky Apr 2012 #25

Well, I'd certainly expect a vegetarian not to object if I do eat meat. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #26

That's fine and dandy, but it's not the issue. trotsky Apr 2012 #27

I don't really much care if things aren't absolutely fair and balanced. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #43

So some people deserve more respect than others. trotsky Apr 2012 #44

Why does that matter? GliderGuider Apr 2012 #56

Because you're saying one group of people should expect to be respected in a way... trotsky Apr 2012 #57

No I'm not. I'm saying I can't change peoples expectations. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #59

Ah, so you... trotsky Apr 2012 #60

Yes, I think that expectation is silly. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #63

OK then, you are on the same side I am - in opposition to the person I initially responded to. trotsky Apr 2012 #64

There go the assumptions again. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #65

And what you've assumed about me could fill a library. trotsky Apr 2012 #102

;-) Cheers GliderGuider Apr 2012 #103

It's a good analogy... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #81

Here's your answer: PassingFair Apr 2012 #135

That's getting just a bit persnickety... TreasonousBastard Apr 2012 #36

So you are indeed saying there is a double standard. trotsky Apr 2012 #37

Did I say that? Where? I have had vegans for dinner... TreasonousBastard Apr 2012 #38

The meat-eater at a vegan's house is not happy. trotsky Apr 2012 #46

It is NOT a double standard... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #82

What if you're on the Atkins diet? trotsky Apr 2012 #101

I'm somewhat of an ass SATIRical Apr 2012 #97

Well sure, and so would I. trotsky Apr 2012 #104

If there were a person who ate ONLY meat SATIRical Apr 2012 #105

So the issue is how strongly one holds the beliefs? trotsky Apr 2012 #106

As an omnivor, I respect a veggie who serves me a veggie meal. I can eat it. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #51

That's fine - but why not? trotsky Apr 2012 #55

If you don't value the relationship, be as snarky as you please Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #110

Thanks for the condescension, but you didn't answer my question. trotsky Apr 2012 #111

You don't have to respect the belief, just the person who holds them, Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #118

I could choose to have a fit now, I suppose... trotsky Apr 2012 #120

If they're not directly affecting you or harming anyone else, live and let live Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #122

Yeah, I'll reject it, because you still didn't provide an answer. trotsky Apr 2012 #127

It is just a matter of common courtesy. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #131

So when you say that creationism is silly skepticscott Apr 2012 #132

Your attack against my ethics is duly noted. trotsky Apr 2012 #134

To me it depends on the people, depends on the beliefs, thucythucy Apr 2012 #14

Like Hitchens has said longship Apr 2012 #15

You are free to ridicule anyone you want. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #19

Perhaps we don't care about the "depth of faith" mr blur Apr 2012 #24

"to some of us" is one of the most honest things you have ever said here. nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #112

Well, thank you for the patronising insult - you finally said something that wasn't just either mr blur Apr 2012 #116

I think hat's #19 Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #119

Which was in response to an attack of your own. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #121

99% of believers view "God" as a sky daddy. The navel-gazing of theologians... Odin2005 Apr 2012 #30

You just totally made up this statistic, didn't you. cbayer Apr 2012 #39

80% of most statistics are made up. cleanhippie Apr 2012 #45

Thanks for missing the point. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #53

I may be *obvious to you*, but not to everyone. cbayer Apr 2012 #58

It's obvious to everyone who doesn't choose to ignore the facts about belief. trotsky Apr 2012 #108

I have never heard that term used by any serious theist--just by snarky others. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #113

Have you considered that many may find your "depth of faith" to be ignorance personified? cleanhippie Apr 2012 #41

I think you just made an excellent point right here. (nt) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #66

Perhaps, but to TMO and others here, that is a "gotcha" question. cleanhippie Apr 2012 #70

Hundreds of Millions of Christians have great "depth of faith" skepticscott Apr 2012 #133

You shouldn't Gurgen4 Apr 2012 #21

Of course your right is respected. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #52

100% pure, unadulterated bullshit. cleanhippie Apr 2012 #71

If you're wondering what post it was that made so many of us here... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #75

Fair enough---I'll make you a deal Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #114

Ooo, persecution! nt mr blur Apr 2012 #117

Did he claim persecution? Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #123

Most of what he says claims persecution, mr blur Apr 2012 #125

LOL! You just did the worst possible thing you could do to your credibility. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #126

Take another look. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #128

No, you take another look. trotsky Apr 2012 #129

Every time an atheist makes an unverifiable claim, like :"He is risen" PassingFair Apr 2012 #136

In the words of your daughter-"You just totally made up this statistic, didn't you?" Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #77

What horseshit. Rob H. Apr 2012 #83

I should have not used the word "all." Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #115

But when you took all the time you needed skepticscott Apr 2012 #130

I dunno why undergroundpanther Apr 2012 #23

As my mother told me, with mixed results, "Don't be an asshole." rug Apr 2012 #29

and if you are an asshole, don't whine & cry "bigotry" when people respond in kind WolverineDG Apr 2012 #31

Seems there's a lot of whining and cries of bigotry in this thread. rug Apr 2012 #32

That applies to you Theists, too. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #54

It applies to every human who breathes. rug Apr 2012 #62

So we can expect a change from you then? cleanhippie Apr 2012 #73

Deal. See you at Panmunjom. rug Apr 2012 #92

There's a fine distinction... backscatter712 Apr 2012 #34

Are you talking in general or on this site? cbayer Apr 2012 #40

Oh wow. Gonna bash the OP with the TOS, huh? Joseph8th Apr 2012 #85

Bashing with the TOS? cbayer Apr 2012 #86

So do you not think it is possible to disrespect a specific belief that a person may hold... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #87

I do feel the same about FSM. cbayer Apr 2012 #88

Actually, I think FSM is used... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #90

Most believers feel no need to prove anything. cbayer Apr 2012 #91

Some of the most vocal believers do seem to feel a need to prove something. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #94

As I said previously, but you might have missed it, I find it offensive because it is used as cbayer Apr 2012 #95

You may think it is insulting, but saying it doesn't highlight anything is simply incorrect. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #98

"Most believers feel no need to prove anything." That's exactly the problem. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #96

Exactly. (nt) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #99

Excellent point tama Apr 2012 #124

The "crime" of insulting a god has a name. trotsky Apr 2012 #107

Because community is very important. Jim__ Apr 2012 #42

You're missing a key point. trotsky Apr 2012 #109

I would ask why anyone should even pay attention to organized atheism or humblebum Apr 2012 #47

Yeah, why do you? n/t Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #78

Depends whether they're bothering you with it Prophet 451 Apr 2012 #61

Now that's more like it. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #69

In an ideal world, you wouldn't even know about them. MineralMan Apr 2012 #67

I respect them if they have a bad-ass god... provis99 Apr 2012 #68

Haha! Now we're talkin! eqfan592 Apr 2012 #72

Or my favorite Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #80

That's killer funny! Thanks! nt GliderGuider Apr 2012 #93

Sorry, my God is better... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #100

If they just "hold" them, and don't try to make me share them I'm usually fine with that. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #76