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okasha

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10. That fits quite tidily

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:06 PM

Jan 2015

with process theology. It also fits with Native American thought, which sees Creator in literally all of existence: there are no gaps.

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Evolution-Accepting Christian Professor: Bible Doesn’t Have to Conflict with Scientific Realities [View all] rug Jan 2015 OP

The nuns in my Catholic school told us that back in the '50s. nichomachus Jan 2015 #1

even the US Catholics are still firmly evolutionist MisterP Jan 2015 #12

Well, as Ford points out, it's a preferable to New Earth creationism, but cbayer Jan 2015 #2

Problematic? Leontius Jan 2015 #5

You just made fun of Christians, Jews and Muslims JDDavis Jan 2015 #13

How do you think he made fun of anyone? Who are you going to report him to? cbayer Jan 2015 #17

I find it problematic because it continues to insert a guiding hand into a process cbayer Jan 2015 #16

Black or white, 1 or 0, guided or random, you limit your choice too much Leontius Jan 2015 #76

I don't limit my choices at all and it's certainly not black and white. cbayer Jan 2015 #78

Is consistent, is not consistent . Black or white, 1 or 0. Leontius Jan 2015 #79

No, it's nothing like my thinking at all. cbayer Jan 2015 #80

"Evolution depends on randomness." Jim__ Jun 2015 #95

Are you honestly questioning whether evolution depends on random mutations? cbayer Jun 2015 #99

I'm asking you to cite your evidence that the evolutionary process cannot be chaotic. Jim__ Jun 2015 #102

Cognitive dissonance and intellectual dishonesty... MellowDem Jan 2015 #3

The incredible God of the Gaps trots along to his new hiding place. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #4

Geez, AtheistCrusader, I so wish you would participate in the discourse here beyond simple dismissal pinto Jan 2015 #8

Evolution and religion are fundamentally incompatible. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #9

Why does this guy get to spout logic and history and science and facts in a JDDavis Jan 2015 #14

I agree, evolution and a "guiding hand" are incompatible. pinto Jan 2015 #38

I'm not sure that is true Major Nikon Jun 2015 #107

Touché and fair point. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #109

But evolution says edhopper Jan 2015 #6

Don't fall over, but I agree with you 100%. cbayer Jan 2015 #18

I remember edhopper Jan 2015 #20

Well, I knew we could only be on the same page for a minute or two, lol. cbayer Jan 2015 #22

I took him to mean edhopper Jan 2015 #23

And I disagree that they are receding. Quite the contrary. cbayer Jan 2015 #24

As I said edhopper Jan 2015 #25

I'm not sure there is a finite amount of what can be known, but that's a different subject. cbayer Jan 2015 #26

That quote edhopper Jan 2015 #28

I really don't see how you can reach that conclusion. cbayer Jan 2015 #30

Can you give me the source of that quote edhopper Jan 2015 #31

No, I can't, but I bet you can find it if you try. cbayer Jan 2015 #33

here edhopper Jan 2015 #35

Glad you found it but I can't stream. cbayer Jan 2015 #41

That he is saying edhopper Jan 2015 #43

See my other post about the Bill Moyers interview. cbayer Jan 2015 #46

I used the quote in the context of this thread edhopper Jan 2015 #49

I like it when we end up agreeing, edhopper. cbayer Jan 2015 #52

Yes edhopper Jan 2015 #54

NGT would also object to the way you're using the label "agnostic". eomer Jan 2015 #88

I can't listen to this, but I've heard him speak before. cbayer Jan 2015 #89

He clarifies that his real preference is to have no label at all applied to him. eomer Jan 2015 #90

I want to give a public shout out to you for transcribing this for me. cbayer Jan 2015 #91

Por nada - the discussion is one that I really enjoy listening to so it was no burden. eomer Jan 2015 #92

I will listen to it next time I have access to some real internet cbayer Jan 2015 #93

BTW, that's apparently not the interview where he said this. It was to Bill Moyers. cbayer Jan 2015 #45

I watched the interview and he said it. edhopper Jan 2015 #48

It must be an example that he has used more than once, then. cbayer Jan 2015 #51

I am not sure at this point if we understand what each other is saying edhopper Jan 2015 #34

I think when you took his quote out of context, you presented it as his thoughts. cbayer Jan 2015 #37

Watch the video edhopper Jan 2015 #39

You think he's an atheist? Even though he clearly says that he is not? cbayer Jan 2015 #42

I just looked it up edhopper Jan 2015 #47

Lol, it's just like some people assume I am a believer. cbayer Jan 2015 #50

He makes it clear edhopper Jan 2015 #53

I disagree. He makes it clear that god is not part of his scientific thinking. cbayer Jan 2015 #55

just to jump in-- digonswine Jan 2015 #65

You make some really good points. cbayer Jan 2015 #67

I do absolutely care- digonswine Jan 2015 #71

Ah, get some wonderful and refreshing sleep. cbayer Jan 2015 #72

Ahhh-that's better--as I was saying. . . digonswine Jan 2015 #82

That's a really interesting perspective you have. cbayer Jan 2015 #83

I suppose- digonswine Jan 2015 #85

If creation can be handled as allegory and not as literal, what is wrong cbayer Jan 2015 #86

I'm a thinking person and I don't care. cbayer Jun 2015 #98

I think I get that- digonswine Jun 2015 #106

One does not have to be an atheist or a theist? Well, logic says one does. Yorktown Jun 2015 #94

If he doesn't believe in God/s phil89 Jun 2015 #103

"scientific ignorance grows exponentially" is obviously a wrong statement. Yorktown Jun 2015 #111

St. Augustine: The Literal Meaning of Genesis, Book I struggle4progress Jan 2015 #7

That fits quite tidily okasha Jan 2015 #10

I think that needs to be repeated. There are no gaps. Leontius Jan 2015 #15

How convenient. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #19

Then why do we need science? phil89 Jun 2015 #104

Only fundies try and make us choose Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #11

I'm curious. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #21

I don't know the proper name Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #74

Your presumption is opposed to the scientific method... MellowDem Jan 2015 #68

Not really true Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #75

There's no need for a "stand-in".... MellowDem Jan 2015 #87

Why is 14 billion years nothing to a supreme being. edhopper Jan 2015 #70

To take those in order Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #77

Forgot who I was talking to edhopper Jan 2015 #81

When did God decide to create us? edhopper Jan 2015 #27

There isn't any reason why the two can not continue to exists, if you don't believe then it is your Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #29

I grew up accepting both. louis-t Jan 2015 #32

Can you answer any of my questions from post #27? edhopper Jan 2015 #36

No, because I'm not God. louis-t Jan 2015 #40

So we should just not seek answers edhopper Jan 2015 #44

It's never been a burning obsession of mine. louis-t Jan 2015 #56

I guess that is why edhopper Jan 2015 #57

compartmentalization... MellowDem Jan 2015 #69

Ok folks, now for something completely different - Randomness and Mathematical Proof (Sci Amer) pinto Jan 2015 #58

Intellectual dishonesty. The Bible DOES contradict scientific realities. Joe Magarac Jan 2015 #59

Did you read any of the discussions in this thread? Or just choose a drive by post? pinto Jan 2015 #60

Lol, Joe Magarac. Don't hold back. cbayer Jan 2015 #61

Hi Joe, don't worry about the people attacking you personally below. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #97

By his own admission: The belief in question is whatever the believer wants it to be. DetlefK Jan 2015 #62

I was taught that in a Lutheran college years ago. jwirr Jan 2015 #63

I was taught that in a Catholic high school okasha Jan 2015 #64

I think that science teachers in these schools were liberal thinkers who realized that it did not jwirr Jan 2015 #66

That'exactly right. okasha Jan 2015 #73

If God was in some way behind the creation of life... goldent Jan 2015 #84

Layer of ridiculous voodoo horseshit along with a dose of science-acceptance. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #96

The God of the gaps. It slices, it dices, it postpones the age of reason yet again! AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #100

Perhaps one really can have their cake and eat it too Major Nikon Jun 2015 #108

How did he as a scientist come to the conclusion that God belongs into this theory? DetlefK Jun 2015 #101

the mainstream's always accepted the evidence as it came in MisterP Jun 2015 #105

I grew up accepting both, and as such, never took the Bible literally... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #110

Wish I'd seen this earlier. Been saying this for years. (nt) UrbScotty Aug 2015 #112