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The author's repeating an ignorant statement about the Annunciation. rug Dec 2014 #1
Because we can only read it edhopper Dec 2014 #6
Yeah I don't get that either. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #9
Why not? Do you see it as somehow "legitimate"? cleanhippie Dec 2014 #10
I am a Rape Survivor Sir! hrmjustin Dec 2014 #14
I'm sorry that happened to you. Still doesn't explain how you can justify this. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #18
IBecause i don't believe the version your op states above. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #19
"I believe the official version" cleanhippie Dec 2014 #21
i am upset i think it is better I not speak to you now. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #22
You should be upset, with yourself. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #26
With myself? are you telling me I approve of rape? hrmjustin Dec 2014 #27
I can't say if you do, I would certainly hope you dont. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #29
No penis penetration? EvilAL Dec 2014 #79
The angel said unto her, THOU SHALT. Mariana Dec 2014 #48
Are you in the habit of rolling around the floor laughing after triggering a rape victim? rug Dec 2014 #28
If you read the passage there was no "forcible impregnation". rug Dec 2014 #16
Do you? Cartoonist Dec 2014 #38
Clearly better than you. rug Dec 2014 #44
We were only taught the official version. Cartoonist Dec 2014 #46
I do it all the time. No wonder people get upset. rug Dec 2014 #57
No, he doesn't. okasha Dec 2014 #50
Interesting to know. rug Dec 2014 #58
So, in the language of the Bible, she did consent. Jim__ Dec 2014 #68
You're welcome. okasha Dec 2014 #70
Yeah, I do. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #62
No, you don't. rug Dec 2014 #65
I don't know what to tell you. I've just got this book to go by. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #73
This post is like responding to Harris' latest antics by talking about Bertrand Russell. rug Dec 2014 #74
Except, i called out the problem; ambiguous consent. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #75
You misstated the passage at hand. rug Dec 2014 #76
Not in the slightest. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #77
I take it you're suggesting she acquiesced. rug Dec 2014 #97
I agree, not like Lewinsky at all. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #100
You're really missing what's going on here. rug Dec 2014 #106
Well, or else is an implicit threat. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #108
I think the Atlantic essay hits the nail on the head in its last sentence: rug Dec 2014 #109
I don't know what language that second-hand account was written in originally, I suspect Greek but AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #110
My points not worthy of a response? AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #85
No. rug Dec 2014 #88
Pray tell the source then? AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #89
I can't put my finger on it but I'm sure I've heard "god is a bloody-minded psychopath" rug Dec 2014 #90
That is mine, I've stated it several times. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #93
Ok, I'll give you full credit for that part then. rug Dec 2014 #94
So, could you address post 77, now that we've come to an agreement on that? AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #96
Done. rug Dec 2014 #98
David's "indiscretions" included the murder of Uriah to protect Bathsheba. okasha Dec 2014 #111
Do you approve of a god that would do such a thing? AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #113
Did you miss my last sentence? okasha Dec 2014 #114
That sentence disapproved of what appeared to be an abstract concept. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #117
Well, if you're going on the premise that the scriptures are the actual word of God, okasha Dec 2014 #119
Well, the various accounts of Mary's exchange are AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #123
Early tradition claims that Luke drew his account from statements by Mary herself. okasha Dec 2014 #125
There was also no sex. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2014 #67
Good point. rug Dec 2014 #69
Technically, she had no choice. EvilAL Dec 2014 #80
Pay attention. rug Dec 2014 #81
I see it both ways here EvilAL Dec 2014 #82
This is not the language of rape. rug Dec 2014 #83
I'm sure she felt special about it EvilAL Dec 2014 #84
Pretend God is a CEO, and Mary an intern. Re-run the scenario in your head. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #86
That's a perfect analogy. rug Dec 2014 #87
I'm glad you agree on the analogy. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #91
I couldn't agree more. rug Dec 2014 #92
Hmm. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #95
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no! rug Dec 2014 #99
This whole business just went from creepy to outright disgusting Lordquinton Dec 2014 #129
Could you understand edhopper Dec 2014 #13
I think it is a stretch. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #15
Was Mary asked if she wanted to conceive Jesus? edhopper Dec 2014 #17
In my bible it says you will concieve. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #23
"The angel said ... thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son," cleanhippie Dec 2014 #30
And there's also Luke 1:46-55, the Magnificat, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2014 #53
Enthusiastc, if you ask me. okasha Dec 2014 #55
I interpret that as telling, not asking. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #101
I am sorry but I am not discussing this again. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #102
Did you ask yourself *why* it upset you? AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #103
I am not discussing this. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #104
Ok. I would ask one thing though. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #105
Reading Luke, I have to conclude that she was told, not asked. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #24
It's more like a rape fantasy Major Nikon Dec 2014 #41
Very good question... haikugal Dec 2014 #2
I think that's part of it. Unfortunately, apologists don't want to discuss this issue cleanhippie Dec 2014 #3
Yes, I noticed that... haikugal Dec 2014 #4
Stating facts is not waving anything away. rug Dec 2014 #8
When was Mary asked if she wanted to conceive? edhopper Dec 2014 #20
This is the full passage: rug Dec 2014 #25
“Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word.” cleanhippie Dec 2014 #31
Give it up. Thinking out loud while looking over your shoulder is hardly discussion. rug Dec 2014 #32
Your inability to articulate anything beyond a personal attack is just sad. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #33
Ah, now what is that you just said? Could it be a personal attack? rug Dec 2014 #34
Let me know when you are ready to discuss the topic at hand. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #36
I haven't heard any from you. rug Dec 2014 #45
I'd call that a willful misreading. okasha Dec 2014 #52
Rape wasn't a crime at the time Major Nikon Dec 2014 #47
I can't see post number 1. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #56
Since you can't see it, It looks like you're relying on your imagination, rug Dec 2014 #60
It's this edhopper Dec 2014 #66
seems to me edhopper Dec 2014 #5
Especially in the Abrahamic religions, women are directed to be subservient to their men. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #7
That is true edhopper Dec 2014 #12
I had not considered this before. Feral Child Dec 2014 #11
I think we can all agree on one thing. Cartoonist Dec 2014 #35
And BOOM goes the dynamite! cleanhippie Dec 2014 #37
Weellllll, I have to take issue with the word "history." nt truebluegreen Dec 2014 #39
But he gave "consent" so it's all good Major Nikon Dec 2014 #49
Some articles are too far-fetched even for The Onion. goldent Dec 2014 #40
Not all of those are rape Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #42
The article's author is wrong about tbe Buddha's mother, too. okasha Dec 2014 #64
it certainly is a theme in all the patriarchal religions. niyad Dec 2014 #43
Hallelujah, we have a winner AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #63
Simplest answer: It isn't. okasha Dec 2014 #51
Summary of thread: "We don't want it to be called rape, so it isn't rape, so stop calling it that!" Arugula Latte Dec 2014 #54
Summary of thread: Circulating internet bullshit meets existing scholarship. rug Dec 2014 #71
Pretty much. cleanhippie Dec 2014 #78
Yup, you got it. n/t trotsky Dec 2014 #107
Because God was created by man to control woman. -nt CrispyQ Dec 2014 #59
It is about control of women. Jappleseed Dec 2014 #61
Cleanhippie's War on Christmas continues! kwassa Dec 2014 #72
And then there's the zombie crap at Easter. okasha Dec 2014 #112
And why not? Jesus Christ is a Zombie God. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #116
Not quite, Warren. okasha Dec 2014 #118
Well I'll give you the "feeding on brains" part. There is no evidence that Jesus did that Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #120
Looks like you haven't the slightest idea what transfiguration is. rug Dec 2014 #127
Read Harry Potter Alittleliberal Dec 2014 #126
There is a forum where never is heard a disparaging word Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #115
That's not the point of my comment. But, you know this. kwassa Dec 2014 #128
Yes your point was not to discuss the message but to attack the messenger. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #130
The message is debunked every Christmas and Easter when the messenger posts it again. kwassa Dec 2014 #131
Pretty sure rape predates religion unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #121
I don't think the claim is that religion causes rape. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #122
Agreed. okasha Dec 2014 #124
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