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In the discussion thread: Atheist author Peter Boghossian suggests gays shouldn’t be proud. Is he proud to be an atheist? [View all]

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Tue Nov 4, 2014, 07:54 PM

Fumesucker (45,851 posts)

31. You said that already

My point was that religion isn't value neutral on those things and that's not always a good thing.

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56 replies	Author	Time	Post
Atheist author Peter Boghossian suggests gays shouldn’t be proud. Is he proud to be an atheist? [View all]	rug	Nov 2014	OP
After centuries and/or millenia of having been shamed for being what one was born,	merrily	Nov 2014	#1
I think that is only true if you make those qualities a part of your identity.	ZombieHorde	Nov 2014	#2
I may not be understanding you what you mean by "identity."	merrily	Nov 2014	#4
I'm 5'7" tall, but my identity is not 5'7" tall person or a short guy.	ZombieHorde	Nov 2014	#12
I don't think height is comparable at all.	merrily	Nov 2014	#13
That is a reasonable position, in my opinion.	ZombieHorde	Nov 2014	#14
Yes, in theory, as you are being stalked by drunk crazies who want to kill you, you can forget	merrily	Nov 2014	#15
Recognizing other people will identity us is different than having identities.	ZombieHorde	Nov 2014	#16
In every post, I've specified that it is not all a person is. But not to have those those things as	merrily	Nov 2014	#17
Atheism is a position on a single issue.	phil89	Nov 2014	#3
That's true. It's silent on homophobia, misogyny and child abuse as well.	rug	Nov 2014	#5
Too bad that some religions aren't silent on those things	Fumesucker	Nov 2014	#28
That's a value judgment atheism neither supports nor rejects.	rug	Nov 2014	#29
You said that already	Fumesucker	Nov 2014	#31
Sometimes it is.	rug	Nov 2014	#32
On the whole do you think religion has been a positive thing for women, gays and children?	Fumesucker	Nov 2014	#34
Without a doubt.	rug	Nov 2014	#35
Doesn't seem to have done much for them lately	Fumesucker	Nov 2014	#36
You should open a history book.	rug	Nov 2014	#41
Have you seen Half the Sky?	cbayer	Nov 2014	#44
It is silent on EVERYTHING, except whether or not there is a god.	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2014	#37
There's no need to imply atheism is in the vanguardo of the fight against homophobia and misogyny.	rug	Nov 2014	#42
I agree. Secular Humanism and other atheist-based philosophies on the other hand...	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2014	#53
There are lots of political and valu based organizatuions opposed.	rug	Nov 2014	#54
Neither is physics. Try harder.	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2014	#55
Physics is as relevant to opposing misogyny as atheism.	rug	Nov 2014	#56
Except that he is a spokesperson for a prominent atheist organization.	cbayer	Nov 2014	#19
It gets old fighting the oppressive, harmful religious organizations by ourselves	Fumesucker	Nov 2014	#33
There are secular groups that fight against 1st amendment incursions	cbayer	Nov 2014	#43
You try so hard to appear reasonable	Fumesucker	Nov 2014	#45
Yes I do try to be reasonable.	cbayer	Nov 2014	#46
It didn't take someone dogmatically saying something you think is nonsense long to irritate you	Fumesucker	Nov 2014	#47
Again, I think I was hitting back and I will be more thoughtful in the future	cbayer	Nov 2014	#48
Me being dogmatic in the face of reason was annoying, you struck out in annoyance	Fumesucker	Nov 2014	#49
You can't tell me why I struck out.	cbayer	Nov 2014	#50
I haven't told you how heavy your cross is..	Fumesucker	Nov 2014	#51
When did I say that I had no dog in this hunt?	cbayer	Nov 2014	#52
I'm an anti-theist AND not a member of that org. What fun!	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2014	#38
What horseshit. That organization does not represent atheism or atheists.	beam me up scottie	Nov 2014	#39
Was there some context to his posting that?	Jim__	Nov 2014	#6
Good question. From his facebook page, it looks to be random.	rug	Nov 2014	#7
Did you follow his ...	Jim__	Nov 2014	#10
Yes, I had. Vlad is an interesting observer, with no axe to grind.	rug	Nov 2014	#11
This inspires me to start a discussion asking if Atheism is a Choice.	NYC_SKP	Nov 2014	#8
Yes.	rug	Nov 2014	#9
I have entertained the idea that for some, perhaps all, atheism/theism is not a choice.	cbayer	Nov 2014	#20
This year, in my district, there wasn't much to vote on.	NYC_SKP	Nov 2014	#21
I am now registered in Georgia, where my vote is going to make a bigger difference	cbayer	Nov 2014	#22
During my time in the USAF	Promethean	Nov 2014	#23
I don't doubt that those kinds of threats occur,	cbayer	Nov 2014	#24
There's always a dominant group. I would be interested in knowing, nationwide...	NYC_SKP	Nov 2014	#25
I have never seen that kind of data, but agree	cbayer	Nov 2014	#26
What in the world was he thinking?	cbayer	Nov 2014	#18
I suspect the definitions of "proud" are at fault-	digonswine	Nov 2014	#27
Why should I be proud of something I have no control over?	Fumesucker	Nov 2014	#30
I'm mostly proud of my achievements in life	Dorian Gray	Nov 2014	#40

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