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Fumesucker

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30. Why should I be proud of something I have no control over?

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 08:51 PM

Nov 2014

I'm not proud of my skin color or my height, they just are.

The same way with my atheism, I have no control over that, I can't choose to believe something that seems ludicrous to me hence I'm not proud of it.

I'm proud of what I do, what I accomplish, what I say, what I ideas I generate, the people I help.

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Atheist author Peter Boghossian suggests gays shouldn’t be proud. Is he proud to be an atheist? [View all] rug Nov 2014 OP

After centuries and/or millenia of having been shamed for being what one was born, merrily Nov 2014 #1

I think that is only true if you make those qualities a part of your identity. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #2

I may not be understanding you what you mean by "identity." merrily Nov 2014 #4

I'm 5'7" tall, but my identity is not 5'7" tall person or a short guy. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #12

I don't think height is comparable at all. merrily Nov 2014 #13

That is a reasonable position, in my opinion. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #14

Yes, in theory, as you are being stalked by drunk crazies who want to kill you, you can forget merrily Nov 2014 #15

Recognizing other people will identity us is different than having identities. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #16

In every post, I've specified that it is not all a person is. But not to have those those things as merrily Nov 2014 #17

Atheism is a position on a single issue. phil89 Nov 2014 #3

That's true. It's silent on homophobia, misogyny and child abuse as well. rug Nov 2014 #5

Too bad that some religions aren't silent on those things Fumesucker Nov 2014 #28

That's a value judgment atheism neither supports nor rejects. rug Nov 2014 #29

You said that already Fumesucker Nov 2014 #31

Sometimes it is. rug Nov 2014 #32

On the whole do you think religion has been a positive thing for women, gays and children? Fumesucker Nov 2014 #34

Without a doubt. rug Nov 2014 #35

Doesn't seem to have done much for them lately Fumesucker Nov 2014 #36

You should open a history book. rug Nov 2014 #41

Have you seen Half the Sky? cbayer Nov 2014 #44

It is silent on EVERYTHING, except whether or not there is a god. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #37

There's no need to imply atheism is in the vanguardo of the fight against homophobia and misogyny. rug Nov 2014 #42

I agree. Secular Humanism and other atheist-based philosophies on the other hand... AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #53

There are lots of political and valu based organizatuions opposed. rug Nov 2014 #54

Neither is physics. Try harder. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #55

Physics is as relevant to opposing misogyny as atheism. rug Nov 2014 #56

Except that he is a spokesperson for a prominent atheist organization. cbayer Nov 2014 #19

It gets old fighting the oppressive, harmful religious organizations by ourselves Fumesucker Nov 2014 #33

There are secular groups that fight against 1st amendment incursions cbayer Nov 2014 #43

You try so hard to appear reasonable Fumesucker Nov 2014 #45

Yes I do try to be reasonable. cbayer Nov 2014 #46

It didn't take someone dogmatically saying something you think is nonsense long to irritate you Fumesucker Nov 2014 #47

Again, I think I was hitting back and I will be more thoughtful in the future cbayer Nov 2014 #48

Me being dogmatic in the face of reason was annoying, you struck out in annoyance Fumesucker Nov 2014 #49

You can't tell me why I struck out. cbayer Nov 2014 #50

I haven't told you how heavy your cross is.. Fumesucker Nov 2014 #51

When did I say that I had no dog in this hunt? cbayer Nov 2014 #52

I'm an anti-theist AND not a member of that org. What fun! AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #38

What horseshit. That organization does not represent atheism or atheists. beam me up scottie Nov 2014 #39

Was there some context to his posting that? Jim__ Nov 2014 #6

Good question. From his facebook page, it looks to be random. rug Nov 2014 #7

Did you follow his ... Jim__ Nov 2014 #10

Yes, I had. Vlad is an interesting observer, with no axe to grind. rug Nov 2014 #11

This inspires me to start a discussion asking if Atheism is a Choice. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #8

Yes. rug Nov 2014 #9

I have entertained the idea that for some, perhaps all, atheism/theism is not a choice. cbayer Nov 2014 #20

This year, in my district, there wasn't much to vote on. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #21

I am now registered in Georgia, where my vote is going to make a bigger difference cbayer Nov 2014 #22

During my time in the USAF Promethean Nov 2014 #23

I don't doubt that those kinds of threats occur, cbayer Nov 2014 #24

There's always a dominant group. I would be interested in knowing, nationwide... NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #25

I have never seen that kind of data, but agree cbayer Nov 2014 #26

What in the world was he thinking? cbayer Nov 2014 #18

I suspect the definitions of "proud" are at fault- digonswine Nov 2014 #27

Why should I be proud of something I have no control over? Fumesucker Nov 2014 #30

I'm mostly proud of my achievements in life Dorian Gray Nov 2014 #40