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In reply to the discussion: Were the people of the Jonestown community suffering from a mass delusion? [View all]On the Road
(20,783 posts)23. "They committed suicide as a group, nearly 1000 people."
Well, not quite all of them...
To a certain extent, the actions in Jonestown were viewed as a mass suicide; some sources, including Jonestown survivors, regard the event as a mass murder.
Clayton said that Jones approached people to encourage them to drink the poison and that, after adults saw the poison begin to take effect, "they showed a reluctance to die."[143] Wikipedia article
There is also the question of how to characterize the nature of the community and the motive for the suicides:
Jones' recorded readings of the news were part of the constant broadcasts over Jonestown's tower speakers, such that all members could hear them throughout the day and night.[48] Jones' news readings usually portrayed the United States as a "capitalist" and "imperialist" villain, while casting "socialist" leaders, such as Kim Il-sung,[49] Robert Mugabe,[50] and Joseph Stalin[51] in a positive light.
On October 2, 1978, Soviet dignitary Feodor Timofeyev visited Jonestown for two days and gave a speech.[82] Jones stated before the speech that, "For many years, we have let our sympathies be quite publicly known, that the United States government was not our mother, but that the Soviet Union was our spiritual motherland."[82] Timofeyev opened the speech stating that the U.S.S.R. would like to send "our deepest and the most sincere greetings to the people of this first socialist and communist community of the United States of America, in Guyana and in the world."[82] Both speeches were met by cheers and applause from the crowd in Jonestown.[82]
On the tape, Jones urged Temple members to commit "revolutionary suicide".[136] Such "revolutionary suicide" had been planned by the Temple before and, according to Jonestown defectors, its theory was "you can go down in history, saying you chose your own way to go, and it is your commitment to refuse capitalism and in support of socialism."[140]
To use the logic currently in vogue, Jonestown should apparently be blamed on socialism. Certainly religion was not the issue. It's a perfect example of why the thought process is foolish and simpleminded.
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Were the people of the Jonestown community suffering from a mass delusion? [View all]
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
OP
If there were even a kernel of fact in your post, humans would have died out millenia ago.
rug
Aug 2014
#1
In North Korea, the poeple are indoctrinated to believe that Kim Jong, and now Kim Il, are gods.
cleanhippie
Aug 2014
#4
It actually doesn't matter much if you consider them religious or not.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#21
No it doesn't but they did not all commit suicide and they should be made clear.
hrmjustin
Aug 2014
#39
They were victims of a charismatic leader, who used religious themes in his social engineering.
Maedhros
Aug 2014
#19
Sure, completely agree. So indoctrination can result in mass delusions.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#20
Your being an atheist has nothing to do with what you do and don't appreciate...
MellowDem
Aug 2014
#41
There seems to be a contingent of self-proclaimed atheists on this board that are intent
Maedhros
Aug 2014
#43
Their delusion would be that Jim Jones had supernatural knowledge of the universe
Kablooie
Aug 2014
#27
What? That their leader was a man of God? Yes, they were delusional when it came to that
notadmblnd
Aug 2014
#26
I took intro to psychology, so I am an expert on all things related to the mind.
ZombieHorde
Aug 2014
#40
"Delusion" generally carries the additional information that the belief is held...
trotsky
Aug 2014
#47
As a software engineer I can assure you that delusions are commonplace.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#52