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jimmy the one

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19. Wrong Jody, when you see all the facts.
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:57 PM
Jan 2013

jody posted: From 1994 to 2007, firearm number increased from 192 million to 294 million.
From 1994 to 2007, Firearms-Related Murder Rate decreased from 6.6 to 3.9.


You'd better sit down, jody; you cherry pick years 94 to 07 for violent crime & murder rates once they started declining from ALL TIME HIGHS... but you fail to say anything about how those rates got so high. I'll show you how.
.. in the 1960s, the national murder rate was about what it is now, ~5.0, while in between then & now it rose to 10. (you used gunmurder rates, simply multiply total murder rate by 2/3 for close enough gun murder estimate).
The violent crime rate in 1964 was 190, today 2012 it's 386, doubled from 1964.

year .. popu ... violcr/rate.. propcr/rate..murdrate... guns
1964--191,141,000-- 190.6------ 2,197.5---- 4.9 ........ ~75million
1965--193,526,000-- 200.2------ 2,248.8---- 5.1
1993--257,908,000-- 746.8------ 4,737.7---- 9.5 ..~194mill
2011--311,591,917-- 386.3------ 2,908.7---- 4.7 .........~300mill
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

factoid I found: The 1968-78 period saw an 85 percent increase in available gun stock and a 52 percent increase in the UCR (fbi) crime index rate.

So the evidence refutes your implication that an increase in total firearms led to the decline in murder & violent crime rates. Your implied premise can't be, since total firearms increased about 150% from 64 to 94 with a concurrent doubling of violent crime & murder rates, while from 94 to 07 total firearms increased by ~50% while violent crime rates declined about 35%, & murder rates halved.
The increase in rates while guns increased dramatically offsets the subsequent decline and any point you were trying to make.
Stop believing in the 2nd Amendment MYTHOLOGY.
MORE GUNS MORE LIES.

watch this, gejohnston Dec 2012 #1
Isn't there a saying... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #2
Interesting quote that the Republican managed Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence uses so well. jody Dec 2012 #7
Why are you citing these reports? intaglio Dec 2012 #3
If you have a more recent survey of research about firearms and crime published by a National jody Dec 2012 #4
What are you saying has to be refuted? intaglio Dec 2012 #5
Apparently you haven't understood what I wrote and I don't believe that will change. Sorry I hoped jody Dec 2012 #6
You wrote nothing intaglio Dec 2012 #8
Guns v Murder “Gun Control Legislation” by CRS (Nov 14, 2012) reports the following. jody Dec 2012 #9
Thanks Berserker Dec 2012 #13
294 million was 2007. There's probably about 310+ million in 24 Dec 2012. nt jody Dec 2012 #14
Task force said more research is necessary so.................. russ1943 Dec 2012 #10
is it the place of CDC to do criminology research? gejohnston Dec 2012 #11
Death & injury research. russ1943 Dec 2012 #12
given the amount of work by independent criminologists gejohnston Dec 2012 #15
Research is about data and research on social issues is ALL ABOUT DATA. Many reports have been jody Dec 2012 #16
All gun violence, deaths and injuries, aren't crimes. russ1943 Dec 2012 #17
"gun violence, deaths and injuries, aren't crimes" DOJ's Holder has authority to use FBI's UCR to jody Dec 2012 #18
Wrong Jody, when you see all the facts. jimmy the one Jan 2013 #19
No, I used CRS "Gun Control Legislation" November 14, 2012 as my source. Please write them with your jody Jan 2013 #20
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