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intaglio

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36. I see some significant problems with your reasoning
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:59 PM
Dec 2012
A law covering semi-auto firearms such as you suggest would prove a burden to honest and responsible gun owners but have little or no effect on criminals.
By this "logic" governments should stop making laws about drug use or automobile use because it would prove a burden to honest and responsible drug users or car owners.

Who would run the psychological tests? Considering that there are 80 million gun owners in our nation the overwhelming majority of which are honest and responsible and own at least one semi-auto firearm, how long would the waiting list be for a psychological test and how much might this effect effective counseling for those who didn't own firearms but suffer from mental disorders?
Difficult logistics are only difficult, not insurmountable.

I feel that such an effort would largely be a total waste of time and might actually lead to more problems than it would prevent.
Do carry on, Gov ... sorry, Do carry on, spin.

For example a person who might benefit from treatment for severe depression might commit suicide by other means than a firearm because he/she was unable to find help as the appointment calendars of every individual who was qualified to help was filled with gun owners who had absolutely no mental issues.
There is a term for this sort of fallacy - a straw man.

You also suggest testing on a yearly basis. Can you imagine how much time would be wasted testing 99.999% of semi-automatic gun owners every year in order to cull out the .001% who MIGHT pose a danger.
Can you imagine the time wasted by autopsy of 20 children and by the crime scene management of a slaughter of that size. Are you not shocked by the "time wasted" by parents going to funerals, by the wasted money spent on presents that would have gone to deceased infants. Perhaps you have a fellow feeling with Scrooge before his callousness was pointed out when viewed the children beneath the robe of the Ghost of Christmas Present.

Also a person with truly severe mental issues might pass the test while another person who would never create a problem would be rejected.
Now contrast the current limit on gun ownership in the USA - money.

I do agree with your idea of requiring anyone who wished to own a semi-auto firearm to have proof of safety training prior to being allow to purchase a semi-auto weapon however I would extend it to the purchase of any firearm or ammo. The course and test could be conducted on line or in all high schools. Of course this idea would be strongly opposed by the NRA.
This is the only sane thing you have said.
not 20 children in one place in one minute by one person (or one dog) CreekDog Dec 2012 #1
Clearly those dogs had a mental illness SummerSnow Dec 2012 #2
Dogs don't kill people. It's the people aiming the dogs that kill people. Squinch Dec 2012 #28
breed specific legislation is largely based on gejohnston Dec 2012 #3
So, Are You Equating New Gun Laws With Past Pet Laws? It Seems As if You Are cantbeserious Dec 2012 #4
I'm just looking at the type of legislation Toronto Dec 2012 #5
The Better Path Is To Repeal The 2nd Amendment Then The Legal Parsing Is Not Such An Issue cantbeserious Dec 2012 #6
So while you're waiting for 2A to be repealed Toronto Dec 2012 #7
The Broader Goal Is 2nd Amendment Repeal - Each Incremental Gun Law Is A Gain Along That Trajectory cantbeserious Dec 2012 #8
re: "...Repeal The 2nd Amendment..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #19
there was no added danger of pit bulls gejohnston Dec 2012 #11
I think because of your pro-gun agenda you are being Toronto Dec 2012 #15
no, they are usually the same illegal gun owners that gejohnston Dec 2012 #18
equating the basis for them gejohnston Dec 2012 #10
NRA talking point intaglio Dec 2012 #9
Not so fast bucko. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #34
LOL! n/t intaglio Dec 2012 #35
Actually the parallels between "pit bulls" and "assault weapons" are striking Recursion Dec 2012 #12
Crazy guys and dogs get the red out Dec 2012 #13
I see some significant problems with your idea. ... spin Dec 2012 #14
I was suggesting a one time mental test, Toronto Dec 2012 #16
I carefully reread your post ... spin Dec 2012 #26
at the risk of being cynical gejohnston Dec 2012 #17
So you are suggesting that 80 million people in our nation are dishonest and irresponsible ... spin Dec 2012 #20
that's not my opionion gejohnston Dec 2012 #22
My fault. I thought was relying to one of the draconian gun control supporters. ... spin Dec 2012 #37
a bit of stretch. LOL and spin wins the understatement of the year contest! Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #23
Thanks for your support. (n/t) spin Dec 2012 #27
It wouldn't be the first time Toronto Dec 2012 #21
so if gejohnston Dec 2012 #24
Did I say anything about a weapons ban? Toronto Dec 2012 #25
they often don't have guns gejohnston Dec 2012 #29
Then I guess you wouldn't need an AR 15 Toronto Dec 2012 #30
I don't own one gejohnston Dec 2012 #31
Then you would be unlikely to be subject to any Toronto Dec 2012 #32
depends on how it affects pistols gejohnston Dec 2012 #33
I see some significant problems with your reasoning intaglio Dec 2012 #36
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