Gun Control & RKBA

hack89

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48. There is no increased gun violence - it has been falling for 30 years

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Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:12 AM

Dec 2012

it has fallen to historically low levels.

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All arguments regarding the banning of guns or severely limiting access are ultimately circular [View all] Toronto Dec 2012 OP

The 2A correctly interpreted would be a help. Loudly Dec 2012 #1

I agree, but as has been pointed out to me Toronto Dec 2012 #2

not unlimited scope - only for purposes of having a well regulated militia and that is ALL nt msongs Dec 2012 #4

You can quite beating that horse. It is very dead. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #6

Unfortunately jurisprudence is not on your side... Toronto Dec 2012 #10

You really need to read Heller - it is the law of the land hack89 Dec 2012 #13

Which can be overturned by a different Supreme Court. thucythucy Dec 2012 #26

But until then hack89 Dec 2012 #30

I believe it's "Roe v. Wade." thucythucy Dec 2012 #32

Accepting political and legal reality is a progressive virtue hack89 Dec 2012 #47

Worship and adoration of guns is a serious social problem. Loudly Dec 2012 #5

2A has been correctly interpreted in DC v Heller and McDonald v Chicago. That's the law so learn to jody Dec 2012 #23

Whether it has been "correctly interpreted" thucythucy Dec 2012 #27

Still the laws the law. Learn to live with it or wallow and seethe in anger. nt jody Dec 2012 #29

"Learn to live with it?" thucythucy Dec 2012 #34

you might not want McDonald v. Chicago overturned gejohnston Dec 2012 #35

That bullshit is decidedly incorrect. And the fruit of some concerted conservative mindfuck Loudly Dec 2012 #41

The media doesn't help. Watch the evening news. You would think good things only happen rarely. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #3

USA is not a healthy society and has not been for nigh on forty years. We tend to Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #7

In that time we have cut gun deaths due to murder and manslaughter in half hack89 Dec 2012 #14

some of that is due to medical advancement and can not be denied. I did not speak specifically to Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #15

NRA propaganda is the disease SecularMotion Dec 2012 #8

The NRA propaganda is more of Toronto Dec 2012 #9

Wrong SecularMotion Dec 2012 #12

OMG...you think that the NRA and FOX are the only ones exploiting your fears... Toronto Dec 2012 #16

The NRA is the tip of the iceberg? Please elaborate SecularMotion Dec 2012 #18

Eisenhower once referred to the Military Industrial Complex (MIC) Toronto Dec 2012 #24

All fine and dandy, but this is the gun forum. SecularMotion Dec 2012 #25

The NRA does not exist in a vacuum Toronto Dec 2012 #37

You seem to be making a great effort to absolve the NRA of any responsibility SecularMotion Dec 2012 #46

There is no increased gun violence - it has been falling for 30 years hack89 Dec 2012 #48

Do your statistics include 2012? SecularMotion Dec 2012 #50

Don't want to talk about the past 30 years? Don't blame you. hack89 Dec 2012 #52

I grant no absolution to the NRA Toronto Dec 2012 #53

I have a Field & Stream mag nearly a half cent. Old... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #20

Put semi auto rifles and pistols under NFA regulation. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #11

A perfectly healthy society would be a utopia or if you believe in religion a heaven. ... spin Dec 2012 #17

I'm not so naive as to believe that humanity could even create a utopia Toronto Dec 2012 #19

That was possibly one of the best replies I have ever received on DU. (n/t) spin Dec 2012 #21

Thanks Toronto Dec 2012 #28

I agree with your take on consumerism and... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #22

I'm afraid gun control outlook Toronto Dec 2012 #33

Social media is the new political expression, I suppose... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #44

Could Obama not sign an Executive Order with a process that has absolutely nothing to do with libdem4life Dec 2012 #31

That's a question for someone with more knowledge Toronto Dec 2012 #36

do you know much about current federal gun laws? gejohnston Dec 2012 #38

No I don't and like many other non-gun owners, getting up to speed as quickly as possible. libdem4life Dec 2012 #39

there is a sales tax since 1919 gejohnston Dec 2012 #40

Good to know. I think it's going to have to increase however, on every level of the trade libdem4life Dec 2012 #42

guns are also regulated gejohnston Dec 2012 #43

No - registration is left to the states hack89 Dec 2012 #49

In one sense, I agree ... Kennah Dec 2012 #45

The 2nd Amendment Can Be Repealed, Replaced Or Modified - So Banning Guns Is Wholly Possible cantbeserious Dec 2012 #51

How? Toronto Jan 2013 #54

2/3d vote in each federal chamber gejohnston Jan 2013 #55

And the chances of this happening Toronto Jan 2013 #56

closer to gejohnston Jan 2013 #57

Pretty much what I thought. Toronto Jan 2013 #58