Gun Control & RKBA

ManiacJoe

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35. It is not now, nor has it ever been, about "safety".

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:59 PM

Dec 2012

> If/when firearms are not safe, they need to be gone. We just can't
> tolerate the expertise of anyone over this basic need for safety
> anymore.

No gun is safe. By definition, all of them are dangerous. It is that dangerousness that makes them useful as a tool. Similar to the dangerousness of chainsaws.

It is all about the mitigation of risk. Trying to come up with plans to keep semi-auto rifles away from the abusers of guns misses the whole point of the need to keep all guns away from the abusers. The "lethal differences" between a semi-auto rifle and a rifle of any other action type are not big enough to realistically say that "the abusers of guns should not have rifle of type A but we will accept the risk for them to have type B and C."

The folks at the top of the political chain who push for "assault weapon" bans and the like, are not interested in safety. Their long term agenda is a complete gun ban for civilians. They don't care how nonsensical the incremental steps are in the short term as long as there is motion towards their goals. The agenda of the common people does not match their agenda and they don't care.

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The case against an assault weapons ban [View all] Recursion Dec 2012 OP

So you are not arguing against a new AWB, your arguing for one that is greatly expanded. jmg257 Dec 2012 #1

I'm not sure Recursion Dec 2012 #3

One doesn't have to try and ban all semi-automatics. Kaleva Dec 2012 #9

This would be a serious proposal. krispos42 Dec 2012 #11

I have your thread bookmarked. Kaleva Dec 2012 #18

Thanks. krispos42 Dec 2012 #25

With my budget, I'd be limited to something like this Kaleva Dec 2012 #30

I'm gonna sell when my AR's are worth 3500. ileus Dec 2012 #23

And you'd probably get that in a few years if there was a comprehensive ban on... Kaleva Dec 2012 #27

Hopefully we won't see such a broad ban. ileus Dec 2012 #33

If someone votes Republican over this issue, we don't need them MightyMopar Dec 2012 #2

We don't get to decide what's important to voters (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #6

Many people who don't vote would come off the fence to vote against the gun culture MightyMopar Dec 2012 #28

You wouldn't mind if we try to write a better law. upaloopa Dec 2012 #4

Firing so many rounds Recursion Dec 2012 #5

You are not thinking big enough. jmg257 Dec 2012 #7

Well you just keep bringing up exceptions and I can write a law to cover them upaloopa Dec 2012 #8

No, these aren't exceptions, that's my point Recursion Dec 2012 #10

Like I said it matters what paradigm you see the world through. upaloopa Dec 2012 #13

Well I in fact do think we need gun control, so you're missing something Recursion Dec 2012 #15

You keep dodging the subject. PavePusher Dec 2012 #39

Be aware that an AR-15 runs about $1,500 a copy. krispos42 Dec 2012 #14

What do you think fair market value on all those would be if they were illegal to possess? jmg257 Dec 2012 #16

Black markets are difficult to model Recursion Dec 2012 #17

No clue krispos42 Dec 2012 #20

You make it sound so simple .... spin Dec 2012 #21

I was told expressly that technical details didn't matter. krispos42 Dec 2012 #12

About Point #2 Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #19

Actually I think "pretend military rifle" is a great term Recursion Dec 2012 #22

Go ahead. I am tired of people getting hung up on semantics. Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #26

While I dislike the rhetoric, your points hold merit enough to warrant further study. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #29

How about all of the lever rifles oneshooter Dec 2012 #56

I'm now into the school of thought that says reclassify all semi-automatics to be covered under the RomneyLies Dec 2012 #24

I think I understand that gun officionado's want to get the laws "right". MichiganVote Dec 2012 #31

Well said, and I do get that Recursion Dec 2012 #32

:) If only others did too. Thing is, we need every rational mind now on this MichiganVote Dec 2012 #34

It is not now, nor has it ever been, about "safety". ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #35

To parents, to neighborhood to people-the issue is safety. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #36

Well, you have it half correct. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #37

We can exercise control too if its important enought to us. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #46

The last time we tried to legislate social safety quickly, we got the Patriot Act. PavePusher Dec 2012 #40

And I would argue that the Patriot Act was more about repression. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #45

One man's perception of safety is another mans repression. PavePusher Dec 2012 #48

Correct. Its a conundrum. Until you remember 20 dead 1st graders and their families. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #49

...and the fact that the laws of their state required them to be essentially defenseless.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #50

Ah, I see. The answer then in your eyes is for 1st graders to be defensive. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #53

Have fun with that shark you jumped.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #54

Then let's ban semi-automatic weapons with detachable magazines, then. And handguns. nilram Dec 2012 #38

"They aren't doing anyone any good..." PavePusher Dec 2012 #41

The Australian homicide rate was going down before the ban gejohnston Dec 2012 #42

I'm glad they got busted. Good news for a change. nilram Dec 2012 #43

agreed gejohnston Dec 2012 #44

Our homicide rate has gone down slightly more than Australia's has Recursion Dec 2012 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #51

I disagree Recursion Dec 2012 #52

Skinner's temporary amnesty allowing Second Amendment posts in GD brought out those who only think jody Dec 2012 #55