Gun Control & RKBA

AnotherMcIntosh

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33. Your statement "the NRA ... would have us believe that more guns mean more safety" is not supported

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:25 AM

Dec 2012

by your link.

Anyone can follow the link to a page which does not say what you said.

Although this is my first time reading the page and I may have read it quickly, I see nothing at all supporting your statement

"the NRA ... would have us believe that more guns mean more safety"

Whether a person owns a firearm or not is an individual choice. If you cannot point to specific language where "the NRA ... would have us believe that more guns mean more safety," you've obviously just that up as a straw-man.

(Actually, without any particpation of the NRA, it would seem to be a matter of common sense that if you do not live in a gated community and there is a prevalency of home break-ins, those engaged in such criminal activity may desire to practice their trade in safer areas where gun ownership is known to be lower. That's based upon common sense. Any position of the NRA, or non-position, is irrelevant.)

So you found a web page of the NRAILA. So what? You merely found a web page which does not support your representation. At most, you merely found a web page of the NRAILA.

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Heinous. [View all] frazee Dec 2012 OP

It's also hard to drown without water. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #1

But the NRA... frazee Dec 2012 #6

I'm not familiar with the NRA particular positions. Where's your factual support for your AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #27

This took less than 3 minutes to find. frazee Dec 2012 #31

Your statement "the NRA ... would have us believe that more guns mean more safety" is not supported AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #33

If you don't get the implication of their discussions about these "fables," frazee Dec 2012 #37

So you just made this up about your boogeyman. Got it. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #38

No. But in the future, frazee Dec 2012 #44

they are using FBI statistics gejohnston Dec 2012 #39

I think you're arguing against yourself, there. frazee Dec 2012 #41

Actually, he is right on point. Correlation does not equal causation. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #42

Good grief. frazee Dec 2012 #43

no, gejohnston Dec 2012 #45

My apologies for misunderstanding. frazee Dec 2012 #47

You might be interested in this study... DanTex Dec 2012 #2

From that same study: GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #3

Umm, yeah, but as the authors point out, guns get transferred from legal to illegal owners. DanTex Dec 2012 #5

Most such "transfers" are theft. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #8

Speculation. DanTex Dec 2012 #10

Then why do we have so many folks in prison? GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #24

If the guns aren't there to begin with Shadowflash Dec 2012 #26

So you want to ban all civilian ownership of guns. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #30

I know it won't fly. Shadowflash Dec 2012 #32

Yeah, guns are such a big deterrent to crime, they're one of top theft targets! MightyMopar Dec 2012 #28

Mos burglars make a strong effort to make sure no one is at home. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #29

Thanks. I look forward to reading it. nt frazee Dec 2012 #7

The gun nuts will not like this thread jpak Dec 2012 #4

Is there a link to the complete report/study? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #9

Sorry, the stats are mine... frazee Dec 2012 #11

Thanks for the explanation. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #13

The stats are yours, as is your claim that "the NRA ... would have us believe that more guns mean AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #34

Please excuse me for being blunt but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #12

really confused, especially considering post #11 whereby he states that the stats are his Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #14

Yeah, me too. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #15

The intent of this post was to counter something... frazee Dec 2012 #16

Not to sound like a broken record but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #17

Correlation doesn't necessarily imply a causal relationship, frazee Dec 2012 #18

In no way... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #19

There can be no doubt. frazee Dec 2012 #20

I hated chemistry more than thermo. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #21

Fair enough. frazee Dec 2012 #22

Food for thought discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #23

Yea, some people have created "more guns is the answer" as a straw-man AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #35

Except "more guns" isn't what is being said, so your hypothesis is false from the begining. PavePusher Dec 2012 #36

The survey on gun ownership was conducted frazee Dec 2012 #40

You don't seem to have controlled for having a criminal record. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #25

So... in summary... people need guns to produce shooting deaths. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #46