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kelly1mm

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2. On you #1 (The reinstitution of the prohibition on the ownership of assault weapons) the AWB

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Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:18 AM

Dec 2012

did not ban the ownership of said weapons, just the manufacture/importing of said weapons. You could still own, buy, sell, or give away any said weapons, and gun shops were free to sell those weapons, either from new old stock or from trade ins. So maybe you meant an 'institution' rather than 'reinstitution' of the prohibition?

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When the price of individualism is just too high [View all] Thats my opinion Dec 2012 OP

You do realize that firearm dealers are already liscensed. Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #1

Thanks for the correction. Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #15

And it will still be avoided bobclark86 Dec 2012 #29

The real problem is in private sales particularly at gun shows. rdharma Feb 2013 #151

On you #1 (The reinstitution of the prohibition on the ownership of assault weapons) the AWB kelly1mm Dec 2012 #2

So that law needs to be clarified. Threwill be a bill before trhenext Congress to do just that. nt Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #16

Wrong. Clames Dec 2012 #33

You are not putting the cat back in the bag. Clames Dec 2012 #3

my firearms were not purchased to put holes in people. YllwFvr Dec 2012 #4

You are right. See my #16 Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #17

What I said--or intended, Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #19

You would make a better argument if... TxRider Jan 2013 #90

They are not strictly regulated. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #34

Pretty sure he meant assault rifles which are machine guns by law. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #36

Not sure what he meant. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #40

in the two recent cases, gejohnston Dec 2012 #42

No. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #44

call the ATF hotline. gejohnston Dec 2012 #45

Relying on me to call the ATF is proof that it is not "strictly regulated." nt. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #47

Interstate sales must go through an FFL ... Straw Man Dec 2012 #48

Not true. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #50

news to the folks at craigslist gejohnston Dec 2012 #51

Intrastate private sales are legal. Interstate private sales are illegal. hack89 Dec 2012 #60

Try reading the links. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #62

answers Yahoo? gejohnston Dec 2012 #63

Wrong. Clames Dec 2012 #64

Try reading the links. nt. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #66

Maybe the sale just has gone through nt Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #68

Intrastate sales are still a state issue hack89 Dec 2012 #67

It should not be left up to the states. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #70

Then change the Constitution. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #72

The Constitution doesn't say it must be left to the states. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #74

Actually it does hack89 Dec 2012 #75

nope. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #76

Does the Amendment grant the Congress regulatory power over internal policing? Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #77

Internal policing? OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #80

they enforce only federal laws gejohnston Dec 2012 #82

It has nothing to do with the 2A hack89 Dec 2012 #78

Wow. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #79

the background checks are only gejohnston Dec 2012 #81

Yes, because the federal government has not chosen to go farther, which is exactly the point OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #83

and you are not only pushing an agenda? gejohnston Dec 2012 #84

Again: proof that you fail to read posts! OrwellwasRight Jan 2013 #85

Then how do you avoid ICC limitations on fed powers? Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #159

there are virtually no limits OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #161

Can they regulate my selling of a Trinitron T.V. to a neighbor? Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #174

Interestingly enough--maybe they could if they wanted to. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #175

Perhaps you didn't know before ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #86

Your name says it all. nt. OrwellwasRight Jan 2013 #87

If you're referring to the logical fallacy ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #88

I suggest you do some research. OrwellwasRight Jan 2013 #96

I know what it is. Straw Man Jan 2013 #98

If the shoe fits . . . nt. OrwellwasRight Jan 2013 #99

If ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #103

Go right to the source. Kezzy604 Jan 2013 #93

I don't have questions. OrwellwasRight Jan 2013 #97

You probably shouldn't admit... bobclark86 Dec 2012 #59

That's a lie OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #65

Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #91

That refers to the fact that OrwellwasRight Jan 2013 #95

You claimed first hand knowledge of someone committing a felony. Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #105

No, I claim to know about a friend who said he bought a gun with no background check or registration OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #106

assault rifles YllwFvr Dec 2012 #69

Only if it goes in the mail. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #71

You continue to misinform. Straw Man Jan 2013 #104

You do. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #107

You missed this part. Straw Man Feb 2013 #108

And you missed this part OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #110

"Interstate" sales? Remember? Straw Man Feb 2013 #111

And again as I have already stated OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #112

None of that is relevant. Straw Man Feb 2013 #113

For the record YOU revived it after I said it was done. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #114

Nope. More misinformation. Straw Man Feb 2013 #115

Nope. You responded after I said done. You had to get the last word. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #116

"Said done"? What does that mean? Straw Man Feb 2013 #117

No, we are having a discussion in which OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #118

Wrong again. Straw Man Feb 2013 #119

Wrong again and still. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #125

Bullying? Straw Man Feb 2013 #137

No, the problem is people can buy gins in bedrooms, on the internet, at gun shows, and from the OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #138

That was not the issue ... Straw Man Feb 2013 #139

That was ALWAYS the issue. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #140

The issue was interstate sales Straw Man Feb 2013 #142

My information was not wrong. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #143

It most certainly was wrong. Straw Man Feb 2013 #147

THE GUN SHOW "LOOPHOLE" OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #148

No such "loophole" for interstate sales. Straw Man Feb 2013 #149

Gun. Show. Loophole. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #150

Not. For. Interstate. Sales. Straw Man Feb 2013 #152

You seem to be impervious to facts. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #153

Irrelevance and falsehood. Straw Man Feb 2013 #154

Why don't you try reading what I have been saying post after post? OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #155

That is not what we are discussing. Straw Man Feb 2013 #156

That is what I am discussing. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #157

I repeat. Straw Man Feb 2013 #164

Read this post. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #165

Confirmed: people break the law. Straw Man Feb 2013 #171

Without any enforcement, OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #177

Correct. Straw Man Feb 2013 #184

You can't enforce it as is. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #185

Arguable. Straw Man Feb 2013 #192

Yes, therefore unenforceable unless you track the guns themselves. nt. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #193

Not to mention you are wrong about background checks. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #158

My experiences at gun shows... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #160

In Gonzalez, OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #162

Before you celebrate, I support universal checks. I'm concerned Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #173

Well I support both national registration and universal checks. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #176

I never said they did. Straw Man Feb 2013 #163

It is not dishonest. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #166

Laws are broken, yes. Straw Man Feb 2013 #170

Try using logic OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #167

Logic. Straw Man Feb 2013 #169

Straw, man iiibbb Feb 2013 #172

That's why it is called a loophole. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #178

You're just wrong, flat-out wrong. Straw Man Feb 2013 #182

No one places themselves in legal jeopardy. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #187

What people call it is irrelevant. Straw Man Feb 2013 #189

His last post was JAN 21. You posted TODAY, FEB 9. Thats nearly 3 WEEKS later! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #126

yeh, cuz i just got back to DU OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #128

So why the need to try and call him out for "having to have the last word"? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #129

1) His post was Jan 21 to mine made Dec19 OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Feb 2013 #131

Yes, and then 3 weeks went by before you responded. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #132

Obviously. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #133

If you found insult in my posts, you need to reevaluate your sensitivty level. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #134

Or you need to reevaluate OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #135

Ok, thank you for your suggestion. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #136

If you recall ... Straw Man Feb 2013 #141

Not, not when it took you 4 weeks. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #180

As long as you keep misreading the law ... Straw Man Feb 2013 #183

As long as you keep misrepresenting the law OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #186

I have misrepresented nothing. Straw Man Feb 2013 #191

High level discourse iiibbb Feb 2013 #168

It's very simple, really. Straw Man Feb 2013 #181

Of course I haven't. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #188

Right. Straw Man Feb 2013 #190

Right, so no one is tracking, OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #194

Which is illegal, which he has been saying over and over iiibbb Feb 2013 #195

Which is illegal not to be able to track guns? OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #198

What? Straw Man Feb 2013 #203

Wrong. Again. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #205

Really? Straw Man Feb 2013 #208

Really. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #210

You said you never said it. You were wrong. Straw Man Feb 2013 #212

Where is the word "never" in here? OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #217

Words in mouths. Straw Man Feb 2013 #220

So it's an enforcement problem. Straw Man Feb 2013 #196

Again, you cannot enforce the law as is OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #197

More misrepresentation. Straw Man Feb 2013 #199

More misrepresentation from you OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #201

Facts. Straw Man Feb 2013 #202

Now is where he rebuts by using a penis joke or something. iiibbb Feb 2013 #204

FACTS: Try learning some. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #206

More facts. Straw Man Feb 2013 #207

Your point was . . . . you opinion was . . . . OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #209

I have made no errors of fact. Straw Man Feb 2013 #214

No, you title your post facts, and then your whole argument is OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #216

I don't know what your title line means. Straw Man Feb 2013 #219

Besides, isn't referring to OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #211

I never did. Straw Man Feb 2013 #213

oh right, that's why the veiled reference about the ATF stopping international intrigue? OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #215

The "veil" is in your mind. Straw Man Feb 2013 #218

...... raidert05 Feb 2013 #179

What's an "assault weapon"? nt rDigital Dec 2012 #5

I use my defense weapon when someone is using their assault weapon. Looks like this Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #13

The homicide rate is down to what it was in the late 1960's. krispos42 Dec 2012 #6

just some quick points gejohnston Dec 2012 #7

Thanks for the clarification. I am trying to find my way around this issue. nt Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #18

I'm not here to point out flaws, tortoise1956 Dec 2012 #8

thanks for your reponse. Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #20

You're welcome tortoise1956 Dec 2012 #27

I appreciate your questions bobclark86 Dec 2012 #30

You can own a bazooka, with no special permits. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #9

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. ileus Dec 2012 #10

a person with a gun in his hand who shoots and kills someone has disolved the space Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #31

Your premise fails to address the reality of an assault. rrneck Dec 2012 #11

My three suggestions do not take guns out of anyone's hands-- Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #21

Your three suggestions do not address rrneck Dec 2012 #25

The 20 dead children were not alone. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #35

do you get stopped and frisked in NYC? gejohnston Dec 2012 #37

I don't live there so that's not really a relevant question for me. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #41

I don't live there either but gejohnston Dec 2012 #43

But your argument is the whole problem right there. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #46

two things. gejohnston Dec 2012 #49

One thing. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #52

most hunting regulations limit gejohnston Dec 2012 #53

You have made assumptions that are too narrow. iiibbb Jan 2013 #100

The basis of all law is reasonableness. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #109

law = reasonableness? iiibbb Feb 2013 #120

I'm not saying what the law should be. OrwellwasRight Feb 2013 #124

The disparity of force made them alone. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #39

But that's not about individualism, then. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #12

Thank you. Your points are well made. Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #23

Baloney. You're just as much in favor of individualization as the next guy. slackmaster Dec 2012 #14

Have you consider the price... holdencaufield Dec 2012 #22

I am NOT calling for collecrivism, but for a bxit of common sense. nt Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #24

If you speak out against individualism ... holdencaufield Dec 2012 #26

American etc. modern "individualism" tama Jan 2013 #89

Are you saying thqt ll laws whbich inhibit my action are collectivisic. Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #28

Hey, you sound like someone willing to sit down at the table Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #32

Good, Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #38

Sure, if you agree that we need more "faith" to overcome this issue. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #54

A religious perspective tends to seek solutions in faith. Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #56

No, he is not seeking a solution in faith, he is placing blame on those without it. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #57

Okay. Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #58

Wait, I thought you said it was "human unfaithfulness" that caused this shooting. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #55

JAYSUS... LAGC Feb 2013 #121

Thanks for pointing out a group on DU I think I never want to participate in. iiibbb Feb 2013 #122

Well Said fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #61

The Night Before Newtown TimKeller Dec 2012 #73

In a "Free Society" DWC Jan 2013 #92

I have a better solution. Spryguy Jan 2013 #94

I am still batting 1000 iiibbb Jan 2013 #102

"We don’t allow civilians to purchase or own machine guns" - actually 'we' do... PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #101

to be an individual is be the subset of a set. without the individual there is no set. how the Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #123

Personally, I do not think that anything you propose will curtail gun violence. geckosfeet Feb 2013 #127

First assault weapons are used for hunting and competitive target shooting at the national level. .. spin Feb 2013 #144

I have to disagree with Points 1 and 2 kudzu22 Feb 2013 #145

"Assault" weapons are not useful only for mass killing Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #146

Message auto-removed Sailor2000 Feb 2013 #200