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16. I've lived in Florida for 43 years ...
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:44 PM
Dec 2012

and only a few of my friends or co-workers have lived in a gated community. I am far from being rich.

While the crime rate in Florida is high it is at a 40 year low.


"We are at a 40-year low in our crime rate in our state."
Rick Scott on Friday, April 13th, 2012 in comments to Reuters


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A reader (and Palm Beach Post reporter) on Twitter reported that Scott again said crime rates were at 40-year lows during a forum in West Palm Beach; she asked us to check it out. So we decided to investigate.

Our first stop was with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Crime statistics on the website only go back 11 years, so we contacted the department directly. It provided us with crime statistics from 2010 back to 1971, for a total of 40 years.

The department uses the number of crimes and the population of Florida to calculate crime rates, so different years can be compared. The crime rate shows how many crimes occurred per 100,000 people.

In 1971, the crime rate was 5,668. The rate crept up through the 1970s, peaking in the late 1980s at 8,908. The rate then slowly dropped through the 1990s. In 2000, it dropped below the 1971 mark and continued downward. In 2010, the crime rate reached a new low of 4,105. (See the data for yourself.)
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/apr/17/rick-scott/rick-scott-said-florida-crime-rates-are-40-year-lo/


It is somewhat interesting to note that Florida passed "shall issue" concealed carry in 1987 just as the crime rate peaked. Obviously it's foolish to claim that the crime rate dropped because civilians started legally carrying firearms in public as there are far too many factors in the crime equation. However it is obvious that allowing CCW did not cause the crime rate to skyrocket.

I originally grew up in Ohio and after my time in the service I returned there. One of the wisest decisions I ever made was to leave the snow belt in northeast Ohio and move to the sunshine state. I figured that if many people in Ohio dreamed of retiring and moving to Florida it might be a good idea to go there when I was still young.


Worth noting that a huge number of Florida's permits are non-resident Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #1
117,595 out of state permits as of Nov. 30. ... spin Dec 2012 #20
With all those guns why do Floridians all see the need doc03 Dec 2012 #2
Most do not live in gated communities. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #5
Everyone I know down there lives in a gated community and doc03 Dec 2012 #7
Then your circle of friends is limited to 1%ers. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #9
Must be doc03 Dec 2012 #10
not everyone gejohnston Dec 2012 #11
Confirmation bias? n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #13
I've lived in Florida for 43 years ... spin Dec 2012 #16
I have gone to Florida the last couple winters since doc03 Dec 2012 #22
anywhere but the Villages gejohnston Dec 2012 #25
"Gated communities?" Another thundering stereotype? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #15
LOL One of the weathiest people in this area built a doc03 Dec 2012 #23
$5 million house and barbed wire guarantees bad taste! Not called McMansions for nothing. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #24
Hope this is not something you are celebrating. Loudly Dec 2012 #3
Of course I am celebrating it. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #4
Then I must ask what you foresee for the society which I assume you cherish. Loudly Dec 2012 #6
Concealed carry saves more innocent lives than it takes. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #8
As long as no bad comes from it... slackmaster Dec 2012 #12
Why don't you explain for us the moral harm caused by guns, Shares? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #18
Good to see you back posting SHARES UNITED ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #14
It must be nice to live in a world where issues are either good or bad. ... spin Dec 2012 #17
A black and white TV that only gets one channel... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #19
Shares must be a real hoot at parties. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #21
Great news! Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2012 #26
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