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74. So you'd prefer the maniacs to reload, a la Virginia Tech?

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The stupid media called the gun used in the Oregon Shooting Fest an "assault rifle" [View all] jpak Dec 2012 OP

an AR-15 isn't an assault rifle?? NMDemDist2 Dec 2012 #1

You will be corrected shortly jpak Dec 2012 #2

Yes it is... NewEngland4Obama Dec 2012 #4

That is not an assault rifle as defined below rl6214 Dec 2012 #70

Well the internet was designed for military communications. Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #5

The AR-15 does not have selective fire. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #10

That's what I'm talkin' about!!!111 jpak Dec 2012 #11

Gee, what a huge difference ItsTheMediaStupid Dec 2012 #31

The difference may be small ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #34

it is still a fucking gun. mikeysnot Dec 2012 #107

The will to kill is what makes a murderer. Jester Messiah Dec 2012 #133

Important to who??? alstephenson Dec 2012 #128

Folks interested in accurate facts? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #130

Probably made a huge difference to the victims. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #43

Most M-14's were issued without a selector switch to otherwise allow full-auto. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #62

I realize this is off topic but I would prefer an M-14 to an M-16 NT Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #82

Depends upon where I am fighting. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #88

My reasoning is based on my friends who are still in the Army telling me Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #95

They are wrong. Marines in ww2 complained about the lack of stopping power of the .30-06 Ashgrey77 Dec 2012 #110

sorry your wrong just us Dec 2012 #129

you have no idea what you are talking about backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #158

I didn't say 30.06 isn't powerful. Ashgrey77 Dec 2012 #165

Same here. Someone who looked like me, but much younger, carried an M-14 for a while. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #89

M16s are fine unless they get damp or dirty DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #105

Apparently my AR15 didn't get that memo. It functions fine when it's wet and muddy. Ashgrey77 Dec 2012 #111

Maybe they've improved in the past 40+ years DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #112

Whether they have improved or not, I think that AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #116

No shit DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #117

Everything I said is a fact. Ashgrey77 Dec 2012 #164

Most guys didn't know how to handle the M-14 on full auto. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #90

With a selective-fire option, they were, of course, designed to replace the BAR. A heavier weapon AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #94

So, you're in the mall with your full auto M-14 - what firing technique do you use? jpak Dec 2012 #159

Set switch to semi-auto, aim at gunman, shoot. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #169

I thought that, according to pro-gunners, OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #186

It looks like you are starting to understand the problem with the AWB. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #188

Which undermines your claim that the AR-15 isn't an assault rifle. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #189

one is a technical term gejohnston Dec 2012 #191

No. One is a legal definition. nt. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #192

You are confusing the two terms in #189. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #194

No, I am not confusing anything. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #195

it became a legal term after it became a gejohnston Dec 2012 #197

Bad post location. That was supposed to be responding to #189. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #199

which varies, but was created as a political term gejohnston Dec 2012 #196

If it is defined in law, it is a legal term, not a political term. nt. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #198

Actually an AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #14

There ya go - correct away! jpak Dec 2012 #16

The sad part here is that you knew the correct answer ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #22

SSSsssshhhhhh jpak Dec 2012 #23

If you have 11 minutes to spare watch this video Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #17

it isn't using the real techical term gejohnston Dec 2012 #45

Went quail hunting a couple of months ago with a .177 Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #161

especially when you break a tooth on a lead pellet gejohnston Dec 2012 #162

My buddy got one at about 40 yards in flight. Clean shot. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #163

Then what do the 'A' and the 'R' stand for? truebrit71 Dec 2012 #3

Armalite Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #6

Armalite Rifle jpak Dec 2012 #8

I did not know that..thank you! truebrit71 Dec 2012 #92

"To this day Colt's has a model designation whith the letters AR, which stands for "Armalite" NewEngland4Obama Dec 2012 #7

Armalite Rifle slackmaster Dec 2012 #79

ok larwdem Dec 2012 #9

No, just thanks to another nut. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #20

They also call the ammunition, "high powered". GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #12

Yeah it's not "high powered" - just standard issue NATO military ammo jpak Dec 2012 #15

Exactly. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #18

Yes, the Oregon Shooting Fest shooter was merciful in that respect jpak Dec 2012 #19

Tap dancing away as usual rl6214 Dec 2012 #71

He waits feverishly for these moments. But he doesn't dance away... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #103

5.56 mm is definitely unsuitable for deer hunting. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #21

but it's perfect for a mall jpak Dec 2012 #24

That would depend on your judging criteria. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #30

Lightweight, capable of carrying at least a 50 shot magazine ItsTheMediaStupid Dec 2012 #33

Most states prohibit hunting with more than a 5-round magazine. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #36

No it's designed to MAIM them. /nt TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #40

Yes - you are limited to 3-5 rounds when hunting ducks and deer jpak Dec 2012 #48

Keep whining. Clames Dec 2012 #56

You started off well, but seem to have ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #57

So you'd prefer the maniacs to reload, a la Virginia Tech? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #74

I have a 5 round magazine for my AR rl6214 Dec 2012 #72

Correct, that's why I don't own one, oldbanjo Dec 2012 #76

Chances are, your deer rifle is a direct decendant of a former military rifle. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #84

Your deer rifle was originally designed to kill people hack89 Dec 2012 #99

double barrel rifles perhaps? gejohnston Dec 2012 #100

True. Those are fascinating weapons hack89 Dec 2012 #101

Originally the Army issued a 20 round magazine with the M-16 Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #83

The VT killer used a pistol and several average-sized magazines... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #102

Why is hunting always brought up in a discussion about guns? Jenoch Dec 2012 #157

I wouldn't call it perfect for anything. it has always been a cartridge full of compromises. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #39

I'm not. I live in the Portland metro area, and I don't ever recall seeing such a sign at a mall. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #41

Here in Ohio, none of the malls I have been in permit carrying weapons of any kind. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #44

Here in Texas almost all stores and mall allow concealed carry. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #142

looks like the portland mall was a gun free area. that worked out well. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #143

A lot of crime and violence in malls? Really? OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #187

thats your opinion just us Dec 2012 #131

a .22 LR will kill a deer if shot placement is exact. Shot placement isn't always exact though trouble.smith Dec 2012 #138

Welcome to the dark side. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #13

And the douchebags get offended by verbage on cue. Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #25

LOL!!!!!111 jpak Dec 2012 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author CokeMachine Dec 2012 #49

what fire is this? gejohnston Dec 2012 #52

Opps wrong person CokeMachine Dec 2012 #54

not the slightest concern here for the murdered people. how nice nt msongs Dec 2012 #27

I also noted that with the OP. Thanks for pointing it out.nt Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #104

Yep. Like the terminology makes such a huge difference. Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #127

Tone deaf to the point of being massively insulting. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #28

Hit the nail on the head jpak Dec 2012 #47

Laughing at the dead?? CokeMachine Dec 2012 #50

No - laughing at the gun nuts that apologize for these kinds of assault weapons jpak Dec 2012 #51

It's your story -- tell it any way you want. CokeMachine Dec 2012 #53

An AR-15 is an assault rifle ItsTheMediaStupid Dec 2012 #29

See post 10. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #32

Fuck post 10 and quibbling about definitions ItsTheMediaStupid Dec 2012 #35

Words have meanings. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #38

There's no such thing as 'close enough'. It's a boolean switch. It is either true or false. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #42

It's a huge difference in court and with the BATFE. Ask around. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #86

Doesn't a revolver do that as well? nt AlexSatan Dec 2012 #98

Yes, it does, if it's double-action. NT Straw Man Dec 2012 #113

re: "quibbling about definitions" discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #124

Definition of assault rifle rl6214 Dec 2012 #73

And if you own a lever-action .30-30, you can say exactly the same thing.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #85

Point taken. You did make the nomenclature debate look very small. nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #37

Good catch. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #46

One of the first reports I heard called it an automatic weapon. ... spin Dec 2012 #58

Do you ever wonder whether those in the media are being disingenuous, e.g., when they refer AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #61

Of course they have been corrected but ... spin Dec 2012 #63

I wonder if there is a way to determine the number of CCW permits issued to those in the media. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #65

Usually information on who has a carry permit is unavailable except to law enforcement ... spin Dec 2012 #67

I agree that the identities would not be available upon request to a governmental agency. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #68

That's an interesting and informative link that you provided. ... spin Dec 2012 #115

It's an obsolete term now krispos42 Dec 2012 #141

oh well that's different.... mike_c Dec 2012 #55

Regular mass killings are going on in our country and the discussion is about what type of gun was Lint Head Dec 2012 #59

Far, far less "regular" than other types of murder, actually. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #64

I agree. All murders using a gun are despiciple. The type of gun or the type of murder is irrelevant Lint Head Dec 2012 #96

Correction: All murders are despicable... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #106

Many people feel the "A" in AR-15 stands for automatic but that is a misconception. ... spin Dec 2012 #66

How quickly they turn on their own! ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #60

They don't like hearing truth that conflicts with their religious beliefs. For example: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #75

Hey, you got one right rl6214 Dec 2012 #69

Should have just said artificial dick ejaculated into crowd. aquart Dec 2012 #77

Have penis-fallacy, will travel, eh? n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #87

Fallacy or obvious metaphor? aquart Dec 2012 #170

Wow clffrdjk Dec 2012 #91

Why your obsession with the penis? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #108

I have no difficulty with obvious analogies. aquart Dec 2012 #167

Gun-controllers always "bring it up first," so to speak Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #171

Wow...an equal opportunity bigot. pop topcan Dec 2012 #134

Nothing equal about it. This is a MALE crime. aquart Dec 2012 #168

And that matters how to the dead people? /eom dballance Dec 2012 #78

One of the Victims.. Barely Clinging to Life Now.. Iggy Dec 2012 #80

The media pukes back out the same old lies and misinformation. ileus Dec 2012 #81

I don't care what they call it. The weapon used is not important. slackmaster Dec 2012 #93

maybe it was gejohnston Dec 2012 #97

Honestly... I gave up on the nomenclature/terminology thing ages ago. -..__... Dec 2012 #109

Except, the future isn't on your side: it's on ours. Which is why there is so much apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #118

Mm'kaay... -..__... Dec 2012 #119

Yep, it's going to quite okay when that day arrives. And it is: bank it. n/t. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #120

I can name that tune... -..__... Dec 2012 #121

Sure you can: when you have nothing substative to refute facts put to you, posting apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #122

My apologies... -..__... Dec 2012 #123

Very apt! That's the reaction most people who discover the facts aren't on their side have: apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #125

In your wildest wet dreams, fella. pop topcan Dec 2012 #135

So I keep getting told. The progress of the right side of history says otherwise. n/t. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #139

Just to add to this... DanTex Dec 2012 #136

Exactly right, and we saw this in the last election where even with all the resources apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #140

Not quite sure why it matters if its an assault rifle or just a specially designed human killing gun rbixby Dec 2012 #114

The reason discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #137

WIKIPEADIA HowHasItComeToThis Dec 2012 #126

safety course just us Dec 2012 #132

isn't that term kind of like an oxymoron? aren't all weapons either assault or defense depending on Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #144

I wonder what the people he KILLED with it would call it.... lastlib Dec 2012 #145

I would assume they had a higher level of intelligence than that. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #146

If it points at you and a bullet comes out, it's an assault weapon. lastlib Dec 2012 #147

Thanks for playing. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #148

Happy to help you understand! lastlib Dec 2012 #149

This is why folks are "paranoid" of an AWB. Behind that ban is a... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #150

We don't want a total ban--just ban the ones that kill people. lastlib Dec 2012 #151

How very Orwellian... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #154

More "penis" content. Is your sexuality secure? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #172

yes it's fine--I don't NEED any phallic symbols in my life. How bout you? lastlib Dec 2012 #173

No problem, here. You seem pre-occupied with penis. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #179

I never once mentioned penises. You are the one who brought it up. lastlib Dec 2012 #180

Eighteen CHILDREN killed in an elementary school--NOW can we start banning 'em??? lastlib Dec 2012 #166

Do you know what gun(s) were used in order to ban? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #174

At this point, I really don't care. If a bullet comes out of it, ban it. lastlib Dec 2012 #176

I really don't care about your nicey-nice. Get over your animosity.nt Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #177

Twenty children DIED, and I'm supposed to be cheerful??? lastlib Dec 2012 #178

So you just want to attack others here? Let's talk Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #181

Only if we fund it with heavy annual taxes on firearms and ammunition. lastlib Dec 2012 #182

that is how a lot of environmental projects are funded gejohnston Dec 2012 #183

Your priorities, please: Deal with school security, Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #184

you seriously think it only happens in the US? gejohnston Dec 2012 #175

Here we go tonight's flame bait from the Gun group. According to doc03 Dec 2012 #152

You fell for the trap. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #153

What a waste of time arguing over the definition of an assault rifle or weapon doc03 Dec 2012 #155

You are attributing too much logic to the name. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #156

Re: under the AWB the AR-15 was banned Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #160

It's a fucking assault weapon if you use it on a room of kids: Hissyspit Dec 2012 #185

Poor Jpak. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #190

I wasn't talking about jpak. Hissyspit Dec 2012 #193