Gun Control & RKBA

Straw Man

(6,622 posts)

46. Addressing.

Reply to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:59 AM

Dec 2012

The fact that people are more concerned about keeping their assault weapons and articulating what they think are legislative wins (such as this) rather than reducing or even offering alternative solutions to gun violence, in my opinion, shows how off target such thinking is.

I suggest addressing the causes of violence rather than inventing specious categories of scary weapons and then using these categorizations to ban the most popular rifle platform in the country while doing virtually nothing about actual crime.

Let's try addressing the logjams in NICS reporting by the states. Let's make NICS available to private sellers. Let's get non-violent offenders out of our prisons to free up some space in which to keep violent offenders locked up for a long, long time.

Or we could just keep whining about scary rifles.

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Governor Pat Quinn's "Assault Weapons" Ban Defeated (Illinois) [View all] TPaine7 Nov 2012 OP

By a 49-4 vote in an overwhelmingly Democratic state Senate. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #1

This statement is Berserker Nov 2012 #15

That was a really lopsided vote. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #2

Because those 50 cals are REALLY dangerous... ileus Nov 2012 #3

all those Americans killed by 50s every year! krispos42 Nov 2012 #4

'Cause every thug wants to go put a $2 cap in people's asses with a $5000 rifle. n/t Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #5

... that's 5 feet long and weighs 60+ pounds ... n/t DonP Nov 2012 #6

Where are you getting $2/round .50 BMG? PavePusher Nov 2012 #24

It fell out of my butt hole. :) n/t Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #27

If that much. Clames Nov 2012 #7

shhh, they'll want to ban those next. trouble.smith Nov 2012 #9

You'll upset Hannity and the TeaBaggers! krispos42 Nov 2012 #21

I suppose there may be a few blackpowder deaths per year. ileus Nov 2012 #17

Well, well, well... derby378 Nov 2012 #8

One of mine is a .62cal. oneshooter Nov 2012 #18

Whoah! That's like, um, 24% more deadly than a .50 petronius Nov 2012 #23

The original bill he amended was to allow intrastate mail order ammo purchases DonP Nov 2012 #10

Sen. Frosh tried that trick here Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #95

Either That..... fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #11

Go read the bill... Clames Nov 2012 #12

One of Seven Responses and NONE Address This fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #28

Waaaaambulance is one thread down. Clames Dec 2012 #63

A few Illinois facts DonP Nov 2012 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #26

Two of Seven Responses and NONE Address This fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #29

What's an "assault weapon?" derby378 Nov 2012 #14

Three of Seven Responses and NONE address this fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #30

it will do nothing to reduce gun violence. gejohnston Dec 2012 #36

Huh? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #37

who said anything about prevention? gejohnston Dec 2012 #40

I Did fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #41

more people are killed with bare hands gejohnston Dec 2012 #42

Notice fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #44

I have listed them, it simply doesn't serve gejohnston Dec 2012 #47

Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #49

gun bans do not save lives, gejohnston Dec 2012 #50

Good Grief fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #51

none of which is relevant to the discussion gejohnston Dec 2012 #64

Yes, it does make sense. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #66

Wishful Thinking fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #70

How so? Do you doubt the FBI's figures on rifle use in crime? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #78

That's because it's another of your straw men DonP Dec 2012 #38

Nah fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #39

Too bad, you might actually learn something and enjoy it DonP Dec 2012 #43

Number Nine fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #45

Its a Violence problem, not a gun problem. Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #72

Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #86

It's illogical to assume a correlation. Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #125

Ugh, fine, here ya go sir pball Dec 2012 #123

FOID = permit derby378 Dec 2012 #126

It's more registration and less licensing sir pball Dec 2012 #127

Why do antis always bring up hunting when trying to justify gun control? Dr_Scholl Nov 2012 #16

Because they believe that hunting is the ONLY legitimate reason to own a gun. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #20

Four of Seven Responses and NONE Address This fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #31

There's no need to offer 'alternatives' to gun Prohibitionists- gun violence in the US is decreasing friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #77

Tell That To The Dead fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #83

Ah, the appeal to emotion appears... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #88

Nah..... fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #90

Sooner or later, we'll *all* join them... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #91

WHOOPS fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #35

Addressing it: Any time a blanket ban is defeated, it is a victory for liberals and Democrats. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #53

Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #55

Yelling fire in a theater when there is no fire is illegal, yes. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #57

Libel Laws Not Withstanding fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #56

Copywrite and libel are exclusive, not inclusive. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #59

Blanket Ban? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #85

Um... Well, pretty much, yes, it does. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #92

Yawn fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #93

So, your plan for reducing crime... Dr_Scholl Dec 2012 #76

Sounds like you THINK that is my plan or even true fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #84

Sounds like your plan is to do nothing but whine. Clames Dec 2012 #97

Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #98

Well you do that for others here already. Clames Dec 2012 #121

You mention hunting with an assault style rifle. ... spin Nov 2012 #19

Five of Seven Responses and NONE Address This fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #32

I personally have never owned an "assault weapon." spin Dec 2012 #62

You Write fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #99

That's because gun controll supporters don't understand the word "Compromise" DonP Dec 2012 #100

Forgo? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #102

Thanks for the confirmation on your definition of "compromise" DonP Dec 2012 #106

So You Don't Want To Compromise? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #109

How is this for a compromise? gejohnston Dec 2012 #112

New? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #118

What you seek is appeasement, not compromise. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #119

Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #120

We can discuss that the next time you actually have a gun control law that goes through Congress... DonP Dec 2012 #122

You've yet to show that the new gun control laws you want are necessary. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #124

The lack of faith that gun owners have in the motivations of many of those who favor ... spin Dec 2012 #115

How about... bobclark86 Nov 2012 #22

Six of Seven Responses and NONE Address this fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #33

The purpose of the RKBA is not hunting.. MicaelS Nov 2012 #25

Seven of Seven Responses and NONE Address This fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #34

Addressing. Straw Man Dec 2012 #46

Well fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #48

Yes, you are whining. Straw Man Dec 2012 #52

So fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #54

I don't even know what that means. Straw Man Dec 2012 #60

See Post 48 fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #67

I have often proposed alternate solutions which gun control advocates have largely ignored. ... spin Dec 2012 #58

Agree With Most fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #68

I find it interesting that you oppose firearm safety training in high school. ... spin Dec 2012 #71

You Assume fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #82

Unfortunately almost every child in our nation ... spin Dec 2012 #89

It's not a 'suggestion'- gun violence in the US *has* dropped. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #79

Upset? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #81

If the laws Jenoch Dec 2012 #65

Agree fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #69

I'll address it, but you aren't going to like it. beevul Dec 2012 #61

"Gun violence prevention advocates" are largely gun Prohibitionists. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #80

Not Me fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #87

You mean the shootings that are at a 40-year low? Recursion Dec 2012 #94

Because Gun Violence fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #104

So do refrigerators tipping over. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #108

Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #110

Bet Quinn won't be happy with this... Clames Dec 2012 #73

a lawyer who moonlights as an armed security guard gejohnston Dec 2012 #74

Yeah, Beretta Tomcat I think. Clames Dec 2012 #75

Tomcat is a .32 Straw Man Dec 2012 #96

You know what they say? DonP Dec 2012 #101

Really fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #103

it is joke referring to the round's low power gejohnston Dec 2012 #105

Don't understand the technology - don't get the jokes DonP Dec 2012 #107

Guns are funny..... fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #113

It's obvious that many people who want strong gun control do not understand ... spin Dec 2012 #116

And they wear their ignorance proudly DonP Dec 2012 #117

Well to be fair, "strong gun control" sir pball Dec 2012 #128

Well fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #111