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sir pball

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68. I'm willing to take it a step farther, actually.
Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:26 PM
Nov 2012

ALL firearms transactions must be on a 4473 through an FFL. Create a new class of FFL that isn't allowed to maintain any inventory or conduct direct sales, but instead just call in an NICS check, sign off, and have the same recordkeeping requirements as any other dealer, for a statutorily-regulated reasonable fee ($10?). It would be a great cottage industry for retirees, and as much as I'd like to see NICS open to the public, even with a simple yes/no reply and legal protections against abuse you know that it would be abused. "Sorry, we can't give you the job/rent you the apartment/be friends with you - just because"; without recordkeeping on NICS you can't prove abuse.

I don't mind a paper trail on firearms; it would be immensely helpful to law enforcement and a pretty solid deterrent against diverting guns from legal ownership, while not being a registry or database where somebody can simply sit down and call up a list of weapons I own. TPTB would have to literally track every firearm ever sold, from the manufacturer on, to have a priori knowledge of who has what - but if they want to know the history of a particular gun, they can find it out. I always thought it was a good compromise, but never floated it till now. Thoughts?

hand guns are the problem mikeysnot Nov 2012 #1
Hand guns are not the topic, long guns, i.e. assualt weapons are the topic trouble.smith Nov 2012 #5
"The obvious point is that assault weapons are not the problem" mikeysnot Nov 2012 #6
Giffords was shot with a standard pistol gejohnston Nov 2012 #10
Ohh god. mikeysnot Nov 2012 #13
"I get all my gun nut on rampage massacres mixed up" oldhippie Nov 2012 #18
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #25
"rampage massacres" mixed up? Are there that many? Check the facts. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #58
I'm sorry one is too many mikeysnot Nov 2012 #61
Those are balanced by the people who use guns to protect themselves. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #62
The number of "mass shootings" is rather steady over the last several years... Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #63
Please. Define "standard" for me? mikeysnot Dec 2012 #73
the pistol was a regular pistol used by many police departments, gejohnston Dec 2012 #74
30-round magazines have never been illegal, except in a very few locales and states. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #75
reality check mikeysnot Dec 2012 #83
those made before that were legal gejohnston Dec 2012 #84
Loop holes loop holes mikeysnot Dec 2012 #85
it pays to know the subject along with gejohnston Dec 2012 #86
Perhaps you can tell us.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #87
There were no assault weapons used at Virginia Tech either. Jenoch Nov 2012 #19
Virginia Tech involved no 'assault weapons'. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #72
Handguns are not the topic, but they cause most deaths. So they are the major problem. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #77
What type of gun regulation/laws would you support? oneshooter Nov 2012 #21
Nah, criminals are the problem, especially ones with long histories of misbehavior. n/t PavePusher Nov 2012 #64
"Hand guns are problem," then "regulate all"? LOL Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #89
Argument over The Walking Dead spurs man to shoot his girlfriend in the back mikeysnot Dec 2012 #91
Whats wrong? Not willing to answer a simple question, and start a conversation? oneshooter Dec 2012 #93
did you read it? mikeysnot Dec 2012 #94
What firearm regulations/laws would you support. oneshooter Dec 2012 #90
What a desperate sounding post title MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #2
right, because they just make up FBI statistics. trouble.smith Nov 2012 #4
But I do... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #12
Why doesn't MSM report the FBI figures? Is it because MSM is... Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #59
Total deaths by firearms - 8,583 (2011) Total deaths by hands and feet - 728 (2011) djean111 Nov 2012 #3
We need people control not gun control. nt Remmah2 Nov 2012 #7
total deaths by rifles i.e. assault weapons plus any other hunting weapons-323 trouble.smith Nov 2012 #8
most are domestic abuse gejohnston Nov 2012 #9
Are you being deliberately obtuse? sir pball Nov 2012 #11
comparing domestic violence to gun murder mikeysnot Nov 2012 #14
Really? How many 4473s and NICS checks have you personally filled out and passed? DonP Nov 2012 #15
Aww did I upset you? mikeysnot Nov 2012 #16
Not upset, just checking the ignorance quotient - it's very high, congratulations DonP Nov 2012 #17
"In the real world you don't have a clue as to what's involved in doc03 Nov 2012 #26
What type of gun regulation/laws would you support? oneshooter Nov 2012 #27
You can't dispute my statement on the ease of buying or selling doc03 Nov 2012 #28
Not at all. Your complaint was about the ease of purchacing firearms. My question to you oneshooter Nov 2012 #30
I have lots of ideas but none would be acceptable on this forum. doc03 Nov 2012 #32
I believe that allowing non FFl (private sellers) acess to the NCIS system oneshooter Nov 2012 #38
I could agree with that. I trade or sell my guns to a dealer doc03 Nov 2012 #41
Also the individual states need to keep their records up to date. oneshooter Nov 2012 #45
I'm willing to take it a step farther, actually. sir pball Nov 2012 #68
interesting idea gejohnston Nov 2012 #69
I kind of like the paper trail myself sir pball Nov 2012 #70
the few I have sold, gejohnston Nov 2012 #71
Craigslist does not allow weapons to be sold on their site. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #29
I checked, you are right about Craigslist. But the IGA store up the road has at least doc03 Nov 2012 #31
Private individuals can't use the NICS system. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #33
I was responding to another post that claimed it was somehow difficult to buy doc03 Nov 2012 #34
if they are not residents of the same state, yes. gejohnston Nov 2012 #36
In that case that law is broken every single day around here. n/t doc03 Nov 2012 #39
Have you informed ATF of these illegal sales? If not, why not? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #50
So much for the "law abiding" gun owner cannard.... mikeysnot Nov 2012 #51
Do tell. Straw Man Nov 2012 #40
None I have known the guy for years and he will probably doc03 Nov 2012 #42
Good answer. Straw Man Nov 2012 #43
Many private sellers use conceal weapon licenses of the buyer for this purpose. ManiacJoe Nov 2012 #44
Opportunity to educate doc here. Clames Nov 2012 #35
I agreed I was wrong on Craigslist, so you don't have to beat that dead horse doc03 Nov 2012 #37
Your complaining about private sales. Clames Nov 2012 #48
Yes I do think private sales should be illegal unless there was a way to run the a background check doc03 Nov 2012 #49
That link you provided was to a poorly written story. Jenoch Nov 2012 #20
The device you speak of is designed to save lives. ileus Nov 2012 #24
That is true, but very rare. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #47
Promoting the idea of "hidden criminals"? PavePusher Nov 2012 #65
What type of gun regulation/laws would you support? oneshooter Nov 2012 #22
Nope. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #46
If you don't like the OP's flavor, then read #8. Thanks. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #60
73% of violent crimes involve no weapon. ileus Nov 2012 #23
I'll see your stat and raise you this one. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #52
once you subtract the suicides gejohnston Nov 2012 #53
Sure you can explain anyway anything you don't like. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #54
List of Persons in US killed by police. Remmah2 Nov 2012 #55
I didn't say justifiable were a major part gejohnston Nov 2012 #56
"your number is much smaller" Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #57
Which, again, doesn't say what you want it to say. n/t PavePusher Nov 2012 #67
You've brought a strawman to a homo sapiens party.... PavePusher Nov 2012 #66
I had two friends blow their brains out with a shotgun doc03 Dec 2012 #76
This has what to do with the FBI statistics trouble.smith Dec 2012 #78
Your FBI statistics are about shotguns and rifles not doc03 Dec 2012 #79
"assault weapons" are a subset of gejohnston Dec 2012 #80
The usual thing here you change the argument to assault weapons doc03 Dec 2012 #81
to answer your question gejohnston Dec 2012 #82
the OP is about shotguns and rifles, not handguns. It is you who has changed the argument. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #88
Obviously we need stricter extremity control laws guardian Dec 2012 #92
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